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Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 29/09/2017 23:52

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3035639-Is-he-Right-Left-or-is-He-Nothing-at-All-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

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PerkingFaintly · 04/10/2017 16:23

Report: Russia Is Targeting NATO Soldiers’ Smartphones
www.thedailybeast.com/report-russia-is-targeting-nato-soldiers-smartphones

"Russia used sophisticated drones equipped with surveillance electronics and a portable telephone antenna to try to compromise the phones of 4,000 NATO troops deployed this year to Poland and the Baltic states to protect their borders with Russia, U.S. officials said. U.S. Army Lt. Col. Christopher L’Heureux said his personal iPhone had been hacked and reported lost while he was on a shooting drill in Poland not far from a major Russian base. Someone attempted to breach a second layer of password protection through a Russian IP address. “It had a little Apple map, and in the center of the map was Moscow,” he said. “It said, ‘Somebody is trying to access your iPhone.’” "

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 16:27

I feel as though maybe the Tillerson stuff was intentional to change the conversation (in which case I completely fell for it).

To compensate, a look at a serious issue:

How gerrymandering keeps Congress from passing gun control laws

Washington (CNN)Two of the most complex issues in American politics gun control and gerrymandering are colliding this week in Washington.

The Sunday night shooting in Las Vegas that left 59 dead and hundreds more injured has restarted a debate over whether Congress should impose stricter gun laws, particularly around background checks for gun buyers and the sale of semi-automatic firearms.

But Democrats pushing for those laws have run into the same roadblocks that stymied former President Barack Obama in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting in 2012: The National Rifle Association's overwhelming influence in Republican strongholds.

That power comes largely as a result of the extreme partisan makeup of most of the nation's congressional districts: The primary is a more serious threat to most incumbents than the general election. And in Republican primaries, the NRA's endorsement and advertising dollars carry huge weight.

"It gives the NRA leadership an enormous outsized influence on these members," said Jason Kander, an Army National Guard veteran and the former Democratic Missouri secretary of state. "They're more afraid of losing a primary than they are more people losing their lives."

A major underpinning of the polarization of American politics over the last two decades has been the disappearance of "swing seats." The Cook Political Report's "partisan voter index" which measures how each congressional district performs at the congressional level compared to the nation as a whole scored 164 districts within five points of the average in 1997. But by this year, that number had dropped to 72 -- a 56% decline meaning that fewer than one-in-six House seats are naturally competitive.

District boundaries

That's where another issue gerrymandering, the use of partisanship in drawing the boundaries of congressional and state legislative districts comes in.

The Supreme Court heard a Wisconsin case Tuesday that could lead to new rules that would result in more competitive congressional maps.

Such a ruling, gun control advocates hope, would spur lawmakers of both parties representing those districts to court voters in the center, rather than playing to partisan extremes.

Some forms of gun control are overwhelmingly popular. This spring, the Pew Research Center found that 83% said they consider gun violence in the US a big problem -- including 50% who called it "a very big problem." Sixty-eight percent told Pew they favor a ban on assault-style weapons, while 64% favor banning high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Majorities also favor background checks for private and gun show sales.

The popularity of those measures doesn't matter, though, because majority Republicans in the House and Senate many from rural states where gun ownership and hunting is central to their culture and the NRA's membership is powerful are more threatened by competitive primaries, where the NRA's endorsement of a challenger who has opposed all forms of gun control would pose a grave threat.

"This is one of the few issues where gerrymandering plays a large role," said Jon Soltz, the chairman of VoteVets, a progressive group that backs Democratic veterans in House and Senate races.

Democrats' role

The inability of Congress to pass stricter gun laws isn't just because of Republicans. In 2013, five Democrats, including North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, sank a measure written by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-West Virginia, and Pat Toomey, R-Pennyslvania, to expand background checks.

Since then, Democrats have watched as President Donald Trump has risen to power in part by relying on the Republican base -- emphasizing issues like curbing immigration, limiting LGBT rights and more that energize that base and keep the party's congressional leaders on board with his agenda, even when those issues are unpopular with the broader electorate.

If Trump was a Democrat, "He would attack the NRA, because that's what people are afraid of, and he would tie them to something that's anti-American, like the Confederacy or Russia. And he would do it very aggressively with his own voice," Soltz said.

Some Democrats have shed the caution with which they approached the 2013 gun control debate and are taking more aggressive stances.
Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy said Congress should "get off its ass." Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton refused to join Trump's moment of silence for Las Vegas victims, saying that "it's time for action."

The Progressive Change Campaign Committee said this week it would send fundraising emails to its list of 1 million members on behalf of politicians who demand stricter gun laws. PCCC co-founder Adam Green said in an email to the group's supporters that the effort is to "reward those brave political leaders who go beyond kind thoughts and prayers -- and who demand action on guns."

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 16:40

perking It all feels never-ending - which I suppose is better than the alternative of ending in a big radioactive cloud.

Kurt Eichenwald‏Verified account @kurteichenwald

A group of gun owners have conceived of a plan to expose the @NRA and folks like @DLoesch. In a meeting, these were the decisions: By....
.chaotic calls for gun control (meaning lots of different things sought at once) the NRA is able to essentially divide and conquer by...
...attacking the weakest arguments as if they were the strongest. Instead, start low and build up: Go after the things that no rational...
...person - gun owner or not - thinks is right but that the NRA, as not-so-secret industry lobbyist 4 gun MANUFACTURERS, not gun owners -...
...fight for to keep the $ flowing. This will expose them and rob them of any credibility. First item: Ban "bump stocks." These are items...
..that use recoil of fired semi-auto rifle to bounce it back and forth. You have almost no aim, but the action mimics a machine gun....
...this is a device ONLY for people who don't care where the bullets go precisely. In other words, folk spraying into a crowd of people....
...or yahoos who think of guns as toys. They serve no other purpose. Second, require chamber notification lights. This would be a warning...
...that a gun (when the mag is removed) still has a chambered bullet. This, and a grip device that only allows the owner of the gun to....
...fire it. The NRA opposes both of these common-sense technologies because they would increase the price of guns slightly, thus hurting...
...gun industry profits. But those two fixes alone would eliminate huge numbers of accidental shootings. Third: Bar all ppl who have been...
...committed to a mental hospital involuntarily from ever owning a gun again. For those who have voluntarily committed themselves, they...
...lost the gun until a board comprised of psychiatrists and judges deem them capable of having them back. That's it: Small targets. The...
...NRA fight these tooth and nail behind the scenes. Make it public. "You WANT mental patients to have guns? You WANT ppl to be able to...
...spray crowds or use guns recklessly with bump stocks? You WANT anyone to be able to fire someone's gun? You WANT ppl not to know if...
...a bullet is still chambered? Minor fixes (will save lives though) but once the NRA is exposed, it will lose more and more gun owner....
...support. It is NOT about the 2nd Amendment. It is about gun sales. Period.
2 many non-gun owners don't understand real gun owners. Folks like @NRA and @DLoesch depend on that. Real gun owners respect and fear the...
...weapon. They keep them locked in the safe, with trigger wraps. They dont have 100 bullet drums or bump stocks. If you said "ur semi-...
...auto rifles must be kept at a registered gun dealer with a shooting range and you can only use them there, they would say, "Hm. Ok."....
...they want universal background checks. They HATE the NRA. Join forces with them, learn about guns, understand how to attack the ....
...argument with a scalpel rather than a machete. Fighting the same battles that have been lost time and again is no different than ....
...sending thoughts and prayers: Repeating what fails. If you lump all gun owners together, you are losing a huge force to fight the NRA.

cozietoesie · 04/10/2017 17:05

Tillerson’s impromptu address was not so much measured as ........half-hearted. Smile (Apart from some bigging up of General James.)

DancingLedge · 04/10/2017 17:16

Long time lurker de-lurking to say, firstly a heartfelt thank you. These threads, the wealth of sources and insights, are my best way of keeping myself informed, and keeping myself from despair. Although also simultaneously bringing despair.

Not wishing to be entirely empty handed, The Media Show, R4 4.30 had a segment with Craig ? from WaPo, about fake news, Russian political ads on Facebook, and how the Trump putdowns affect public perception of WaPo and NYT. Nothing new, but good to hear intelligent discussion on MSM.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 17:39

Thanks dancingledge will try to catch that later.

Burr/Warner presser live tweets here:

twitter.com/Shareblue/status/915612176186007553

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 17:44

Seems sensible

Christina Wilkie‏Verified account @christinawilkie

Warner wants 3 rules for political ads on social media: 1 ID if source of the ad is foreign 2 ID if it's trending due to bots 3 ID who paid

lionheart · 04/10/2017 17:44

Thanks Dancing and hello. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 17:54

Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA

"The issue of collusion is still open." - Senator Burr, Senate Intelligence Committee.

cozietoesie · 04/10/2017 18:09

Thanks, Pain. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 18:48

We're learning more about how Russia weaponized Facebook, Twitter, and Google — and it was remarkably easy

www.businessinsider.com/facebook-russia-google-twitter-2016-election-trump-2017-10?IR=T

It's a good read but this really stood out:

Russian news network RT, meanwhile, has 2.5 million YouTube subscribers and was sold Google's premium ad inventory, known as YouTube Preferred, until Google pulled the network from the program last week, according to Bloomberg.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 18:53

Oh. Wow. Will there be no end to this "there is a tweet for everything"?

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

An interesting cartoon that is circulating.

9:29 am - 22 Oct 2014

Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 19:04

Manu Raju @mkraju
More than 100 people interviewed, 100,000 pages of documents read, 4,000 transcript pages, Senate Intel leaders say
After all this, Burr said the committee trusts the Intel Community assessment that Russia, under Putin direction, tried to help Trump win

TheHeraldOfAndraste · 04/10/2017 19:41

This is interesting/ominous. Im not sure whether to think of it as good or bad.

@funder
I’ve heard from three people from different circles on the Hill that this may be John Kelly’s last week as Trump’s Chief of Staff. #AMJoy

twitter.com/funder/status/915644510025211905

badbadhusky · 04/10/2017 20:01

I think John Kelly's body language during Trump's UN "speech" was pretty telling.

TheHeraldOfAndraste · 04/10/2017 20:05

Yep, I thought so too bad. But he does seem to be a lonely stabilising force. I don't imagine the other generals would stick around long without him.

lionheart · 04/10/2017 20:06

Scary.

And another battle fought elsewhere in the Supreme Court.

www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ginsburg-slaps-gorsuch

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 20:57

It might not be Kelly’s decision (that is pure speculation on my part but when I read what herald wrote, this article from earlier came to mind)

John Kelly is blocking a pro-Russia congressman from talking to Trump

amp.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-blocking-rep-dana-rohrabacher-from-talking-to-trump-2017-10

badbadhusky · 04/10/2017 21:08

I'm trying to work out if Pain is referring to defenestration-type event for Kelly. Or failed swimming, icy steps...

cozietoesie · 04/10/2017 21:18

I reckon that Kelly, Tillerson and Mattis will stay. They’re a Triad now.

cozietoesie · 04/10/2017 21:19

For the time being at any rate.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 21:24

Blush didn’t mean to make that sound so sinister!

I just meant that if he’s blocking Russia access to their favourite congressman, there may be other people who want him gone (but still alive!)

cozietoesie · 04/10/2017 21:28

It didn’t sound too sinister to me. Smile

TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/10/2017 21:32

Did the 2 generals 'come on board ' after Russia gate? So will be safe from Mr Mueller?
I can't remember timing/details for Tillerson - but presumably he had and continues to have strong Russian ties through his Exxon past?
And so will know where the bodies are buried...?