To wonder who's life would be prioritised, mother or baby?

[splendidisolation]

Just one of those random train of thought questions that popped up in my head.

Imagine this theoretical scenario, a mother is giving birth and the doctor's have to decide whether to save her life or the newborn on its way out.
Ethically, which would they be forced to choose and why?

Imagine the mother's partner or a family member is present. Obviously horrific, but would they be asked to decide? Who makes that decision?

Mother.

I'd love to have known your own Granny, grannytomine - she sounds like the sort of lady we could all do with more of

The awful examples of the nuns hiding poor kids at the back and the nurse treating your grandma so hideously bring me back to the question of just what's going on in the minds of folk like this, but blowed if I know the answer

Tiramisu I'm pro choice are you?
Because you really don't seem to be to me.

I believe abortion should be decriminalised in line with the BMA.

Mother or baby at birth? Have you answered the OP's question?

I never once said that Maryz called women subservient. If that's your interpretation on it, then I can help you.

I know all the tricks of the anti choice argument. Trust me.

I had an emergency cesarean at 27 weeks to save my life with only a 25% chance my son would survive. Luckily he did so I would definitely say mother.

Elendon - are you OK? Has someone hacked your account or something? It's just that your posts are bizarrely inconsistent...

Elendon - a word to the wise: quit digging in that hole you've got going on. You and Mary are on the same side (as am I) in this debate, and you're seriously doing our side no favours.

And there should be no 'changes' to the 8th amendment, it should be dropped. End of. That's a pro choice stance.

Today women in Saudi Arabia were given the promise that they would be allowed to drive a car. Do you think for one minute they would say no to these crumbs of comfort for the sake of a principle?

I can't believe that some posters would say it was up to the birth partner, that they should decide. No. Women are humans and if there is a decision to be made then it should be the women all the time.

Maryz argued, for ages, that the Irish law was not a contributory though.

Mother, the doctors faced this choice with my baby brother, Mum was furious because she thought they should have prioritised my brother because she had had a good life but his hadn't even started. We fell out over it for a long time because apparently I should have made them save him instead.

The mother, I had 3 high risk pregnancies ( 2 of whom didn't make it) and it was me they prioritised at all times.

Women are humans and if there is a decision to be made then it should be the women all the time

But women are not always able to decide in an emergency situation In which case the medics have to make a decision based on the situation in front of them, the legal position and their professional training. And this may be informed by someone such as the woman's next of kin if they are also present

I haven't read the whole thread so realise this could have already been discussed. But seriously, what situation do people think there could ever be where anyone has to choose between mother and baby? It just doesn't happen like that. Horrible worst case birth scenario, mother is having a massive haemhorrage and 2 minute old baby is floppy and non responsive. As if there would ever be one doctor saying, I've only got one pair of hands, which one shall I save. The obstetric team would work with mum and paediatrics with baby. There's no such thing as choosing.

Hard cases make very bad law. What the Irish pro-choice lobby needs to do it get some very clear, simple, more typical cases ready to show the undecided middle what the real issues are, not rely on some high profile but very complex cases where the anti-choice lobby can pick holes. That is what maryz is saying, quite obviously (to me, anyway).

I agree that Elendon appears to have gone off on a weird tangent. After many years of seeing maryz's posts, I am baffled by how anybody could think she has some sort of secret agenda here. She is always very clear and sensible.

I'd love to have known your own Granny, grannytomine - she sounds like the sort of lady we could all do with more of I was really blessed with two amazing grannies. If my grandchildren remember me the way I remember my grannies then I will be a happy dead person.