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AIBU?

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To think a single man travelling to Thailand regularly is up to no good

505 replies

Katyazamo · 23/09/2017 16:35

My uncle (who I am not particularly close to) travels to Thailand alone several times a year. He is in his mid 50s and has lived with my grandad since divorcing his wife around 20 years ago.
It's suddenly occurred to me that he's probably up to no good :/
AIBU?

OP posts:
Tealdeal747 · 26/09/2017 21:46

I'm not going to feel sympathy for the bloke 'working his arse off' because his sex slave is too expensive!

pinkingshears · 26/09/2017 21:50

Andrewofgg
I didnt mean to derail the thread with my example.
I think it is entirely reasonable for the OP to wonder.
The thing is there is often not evidence until the person IS caught.
But ''hiding in plain sight' happens a lot.

LondonLassInTheCountry · 26/09/2017 21:51

What business is it of yours

LondonLassInTheCountry · 26/09/2017 21:51

As long as he isnt hurting anyone.

I havent read the whole thread

Lweji · 26/09/2017 22:10

As long as he isnt hurting anyone.

That's what the OP is wondering, isn't it?

TheDowagerCuntess · 27/09/2017 00:52

I havent read the whole thread

Why don't you go that. We can wait.

LondonLassInTheCountry · 27/09/2017 02:37

TheDowagerCuntess

Your name suits!

TheDowagerCuntess · 27/09/2017 03:51

Thank you!

IfNot · 27/09/2017 09:07

Brilliant!😂

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/09/2017 09:59

I'm not going to feel sympathy for the bloke 'working his arse off' because his sex slave is too expensive!

I've no sympathy either, but let's remember that the girls aren't all "sex slaves" in the sense of being prostituted in bars. Look on any "Thai Bride" website and you'll see loads offering themselves in marriage for a fee without necessarily spending every night in the fleshpots ... though no doubt some do that as well

I realise what they're doing is hardly any more pleasant and I'm certainly not making excuses for the western men - just trying to say there are variations in all this

IfNot · 27/09/2017 10:09

Soo...how utterly desperate would you have to be to get yourself out of poverty that you would sell yourself into actual marriage to a stranger? How is that NOT prostitution? ?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/09/2017 10:37

IfNot once again I completely agree in principle, but wonder just how much our own culture affects the way we see this? The sort of poverty which leads to the much-quoted example of families sharing rooms might be unthinkable in the west where privacy is a given, but another culture might well regard it as a normal thing which offers greater family support

Equally, of course, some may hate it and want nothing more than a perceived better lifestyle, but isn't that the case with differing living conditions everywhere? Without the human drive for something "better" few of us would have what we do today, and while it's a complicated subject there often remains at least some choice in how to go about getting something

Lweji · 27/09/2017 12:04

Room sharing is hardly the same as marrying someone just for money.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/09/2017 12:33

Of course it isn't, Lweji ... I was simply trying to say (and probably making a lousy job of it!!) that what might be unthinkable in one culture may not be in another

Lweji · 27/09/2017 12:46

That sort of view justifies raping children and treating women, and entire groups of people as objects.
And I don't think prostitution is viewed much differently in different societies.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/09/2017 13:10

That sort of view justifies raping children and treating women, and entire groups of people as objects

From a western perspective perhaps, but I was thinking more of cultures where some groups - especially women - already are treated as mere objects. Again in our own view there are few ifs or buts and it's unequivocally wrong, but I'd suggest that addressing another culture's attitudes calls up bigger questions and perhaps calls for a more nuanced approach

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/09/2017 13:22

I don't think prostitution is viewed much differently in different societies

Not entirely sure about this one either, given the differences where some nations (including Thailand Hmm) have made it downright illegal and others both allow and regulate it

I don't assume for a moment that the legal frameworks reflect everyone's individual view, but I'd suggest that at the very least it does indicate some different attitudes to the issue

Lweji · 27/09/2017 15:03

It's considered legal in some countries so that prostitutes are protected in terms of health care and in relation to pimps and users. Not necessarily that attitudes towards the women who are prostitutes are that different.
Other countries may not want to lose the tourism revenue that it generates. But prostitutes are not likely to be well seen by society anyway.

TheDowagerCuntess · 27/09/2017 16:03

Suggesting that it's more or less culturally acceptable in some countries plays entirely into the punters' hands, surely.

Those on the receiving end of it - the prostitutes themselves - are unlikely to enjoy the experience of their body being penetrated by a stranger more, simply because it's more culturally acceptable in their country. ConfusedHmm

Lweji · 27/09/2017 16:05

And risk STDs, violence, etc. particularly in those countries where there are less protections.

picklemepopcorn · 27/09/2017 16:18

@Katyazamo, have you asked him or encouraged relatives to ask him about his trips? What he does, where he goes, does he have favourite areas etc? It might be interesting to hear him talk.

Joeymaynardslimegreendress · 27/09/2017 16:33

Yes he probably is.

I don't sgeee that we need to toady around other cultures misogyny or cruelty to women and children or men for that matter.

Far too much of that crap going on and excusing of vile behaviour because it's 'culturally sensitive'

Katyazamo · 27/09/2017 16:38

@picklemepopcorn No I haven't..... like I say I rarely see him the only times I do is if I go out to a night club (rare these days with the baby!) He tends to be lurking somewhere 🤔. I only know he goes to Thailand through my parents who have to step in and help more with my grandad when he's away. Might get one of them to bring it up next time he mentions going.

OP posts:
picklemepopcorn · 27/09/2017 16:40

Can't imagine bumping into my uncle in a night club...

Painfulpain · 28/09/2017 10:45

I have a non western view on this puzzled, from an angle of extreme poverty (where people share rooms even Hmm). It is no less abusive and wrong, than it is in affluent society.

What you are saying (without intending to, I think) is that morality is less in poor society. It's not. Prostitution is a desperate act. It is never consensual sex. In fact, the only exception to that ironically, could be the middle class western women that claim they do it because they love sex/choose to do it therefore it is a feminist choice blah-blah-vomit

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