so Brexiteers, are you happy to be paying £10 BILLION a YEAR to the EU now?

[ssd]

good grief, thought this was about saving money??

oh and the sovereignty, of course

I'm also interested to know how leave voters feel about latest development

I can speak only for myself obviously- I am in no way putting myself forward as the representative of all Leave voters.

I’m ok with latest developments.

Transition period seems obvious & sensible - TM was explicit that it would not be open ended & 2 yrs seems reasonable to me.

Still paying up until end of the financial period that we’d signed up to is again obvious & sensible to me - I didn’t expect us to renege on our promises in that regard.

Definitely leaving the single market is again something I’m happy about as I don’t want FoM to continue or to be under the jurisdiction of ECJ post Brexit (I use post Brexit to mean post transition)

Not taking an off the shelf deal but rather negotiating a new deal is again something I think is obvious & sensible.

orlantina

I suppose you're "one of those people" who doesn't understand the democratic process, then?

Please do raise your "valid concerns" by all means - the thing is you have to provide evidence that they are valid and not just assert that they are.

What do you want to do? Keep having referendums for the rest of time? (on the same proposition) Where would you draw the line?

I suppose you're "one of those people" who doesn't understand the democratic process, then

I understand democracy. I also understand that in a democracy, it's still ok to discuss issues, raise concerns and to question decisions. Even if there's been a referendum on it.

That's democracy.

Please do raise your "valid concerns" by all means - the thing is you have to provide evidence that they are valid and not just assert that they are

OK - our city has a lot of vacancies for posts that are usually occupied by EU workers.

For 'some reason', they aren't being filled at the moment. EU workers aren't coming here. UK workers aren't filling them. The companies can't recruit, despite offering decent money, and the companies will lose income and this will affect tax revenue.

That's just one concern.

orlantina

Absolutely. I fully support discussion of the issues on any topic. That's why we're on this thread, isn't it? :)

Please do raise your "valid concerns" by all means - the thing is you have to provide evidence that they are valid and not just assert that they are

OK - the UK economy is now one of the slowest growing economies in Europe.

Growth is at 0.2%. That's the lowest level of growth in the EU block. We haven't even left the EU yet but we've been affected.

I can speak only for myself obviously- I am in no way putting myself forward as the representative of all Leave voters

Fibber

JOKE!!!!!

I know you know its a joke faith but there are some scary people on this site

a lot of vacancies for posts that are usually occupied by EU workers

So a large percentage of EU workers that were there prior to the referendum are now not there any longer? Do you have a source I could look at? This is not the case where I live.

UK workers aren't filling them

So at a time when unemployment is rather high, the UK candidates are unwilling to work? I'd like a source for that too if you would? This one is a bit of a can of worms because there are also substantial changes being applied to the benefits system among other things.
Also, UK jobs should be offered to UK nationals BEFORE any other demographic. I haven't yet heard a good counterargument.

The companies can't recruit

Yes, they can. They just have to pay a salary/wage that would make it worth the bother of doing the job for your average UK citizen.

I dont know where some people live

On telly the other day someone said something along the lines of

'Enter any coffee shop and you will find it mainly manned by 20 something east Europeans'

Well not where i live you wont..the cities near us maybe

why the hostility from people who voted to leave?

is it because you've realised the shits going to hit the fan and you dont have an answer anymore? and thats not moaning thats fact.

or do you have enough family wealth and connections that Brexit will hardly affect your life?

ssd

For people that 'won' they do seem awfully annoyed

yes they do

I'm bloody annoyed as I voted to remain and I cant stand what's happening to this country

if I'd voted leave, presumably I'd be happy with the state of the economy , rising food prices and the euro bombing...so no, I wouldnt be annoyed

why the hostility from people who voted to leave?

I'm not sure if you were referring to me or not, but just in case you were - there is no hostility on my part. I always encourage discussion on any subject. People are quite entitled to moan about a decision, but those who supported the decision in the first place are equally entitled to defend it after the fact.

Lol Rufus - after being vaunted as the Representative Of All Leavers the other day I felt it prudent to caveat...!!

So at a time when unemployment is rather high

It's at the lowest rate since 1975

Is Brexit causing unemployment to go through the roof?

Did you see that, a pig just flew past!

What ??? Where????

So at a time when unemployment is rather high, the UK candidates are unwilling to work? I'd like a source for that too if you would

You can come to my city and have a look around. Ironically, it's seeing a lot more visitors from abroad because the weaker pound is attracting them but the businesses that need seasonal staff can't recruit them.

Source: www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/15482669.York_bars_and_cafes_face_recruitment_challenge/

Owners and managers say the problems are being caused by a range of factors, including the rapid expansion in the number of such businesses, EU nationals returning home, the high cost of renting properties in York, the city’s very low unemployment rate, university students returning home for their summer holidays and Brexit concerns.

It's not all Brexit. But Brexit hasn't helped.

There's also the high cost of housing as well. And low unemployment.

This is not the case where I live

The UK is more than just where you live. As I am sure you are aware, all areas of the UK are different and Brexit will have a different effect on those areas. Our city voted Remain - because we need the EU and its benefits. Other areas voted Leave - because the disadvantages outweighed the advantages.

well yes...obviously

I apologise if i gave the impression that i thought everywhere was like our local southern towns and villages

our area voted overwhelmingly to leave

And i cant think of any disadvantages to be honest

Employment maybe a problem but not due to europeans taking all the jobs

And before you say

Disadvantages in my area

If there are jobs that need filled then that will push wages up and benefit everyone in the UK. We dont want EU migrants pushing wages down. Time to re-balance our economy towards better paid jobs.

If there are jobs that need filled then that will push wages up and benefit everyone in the UK

Yes. But there aren't people who want to do these seasonal tourist jobs that our city depends on.

People can't afford to rent in our city.

So how is that good for the economy in cities which depend on such workers?

Unless you think that people need to think about the bigger economic picture rather than how well their own part of the world is doing and that rules need to be in place so the bigger picture is seen?