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Do your family, friends, work colleagues, anyone ever discuss Brexit anymore?

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StevieNicksMirage · 16/09/2017 17:11

My family don't. None of my friends are interested. Nor are my work colleagues.

Was wondering if it ever comes up in anyone else's conversations.

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Mrskeats · 17/09/2017 14:26

Sad really. Some clearly don't understand that people died fighting nationalism in both World Wars.

CaptainBrickbeard · 17/09/2017 14:28

I don't mind. I suppose I appreciate that my forefathers died defending everyone in this country, regardless of political differences. I suppose I feel their terrible sacrifice was made in the interests of democracy; they were fighting against the monstrous evil of fascism. I don't think those who voted Leave deserve to live or die under a fascist regime just because I disagree with them. Their sacrifice has absolutely nothing to do with the EU referendum though!

Chestervase1 · 17/09/2017 14:28

MrsKeats are you referring to me. What is it you don't think I understand. Patronising arrogance perhaps?

TheElementsSong · 17/09/2017 14:30

Meant every word

I am very very very sure you did.

BakedBeans47 · 17/09/2017 14:31

What the bloody hell do the lives lost in the world wars have to do with Brexit?

It's a pity my 92 year old Normandy veteran staunch remain voting grandfather recently passed away, he'd have loved to have heard it.

BakedBeans47 · 17/09/2017 14:32

Agreed Mrskeats

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/09/2017 14:33

Elendon

on other similar threads to this one.

or are we going to pretend that leave voters haven't suffered abuse on previous threads?

Chestervase1 · 17/09/2017 14:34

Funny how 52% of Leave voters don't agree with you. Or just over 1 in 2 for the numerically challenged.

Ta1kinPeece · 17/09/2017 14:36

I'm an accountant.
I help clients plan their businesses for the future.
Discussing Brexit is absolutely essential in that.

I have a child at University - Brexit is already impacting on her course.

Every intelligent person I know thinks and talks about it daily.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:37

Still there isn't a positive as to why leaving the EU was a good idea.

Just horrible negativity and abuse.

CaptainBrickbeard · 17/09/2017 14:38

I admit that my bullet points were a bit of a dig at Chester, I just found the lack of explanation frustrating. And I still haven't got one!

Boney, what do you mean abuse of Leave voters? Like the comment I received from Chester just up the thread? I haven't seen anyone indirectly implying that Leave voters deserved to die like she said about me! I'd suggest that perhaps it goes both ways - and I'm sure that both sides think the other started it...

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/09/2017 14:45

CaptainBrickbeard

chester is being a dick, and is wrong, but I was responding to elondon asking why posters won't respond to her question.

Its the same reason that there aren't so many "hardliners" around anymore.

Because you can only take so much shit before thinking 'what is the point if all I am going to get is abuse?''

OddBoots · 17/09/2017 14:47

We don't discuss it - it has a huge impact on the lives of many of us in our town and for our loved ones too but there is nothing we can do to change it. It would also be unwise to discuss something that feels so negative in an early years setting, the children wouldn't get anything good from it.

Chestervase1 · 17/09/2017 14:51

That is quite a leap from what I actually said about my forefathers dying to defend this country CaptainBrickbeard. Don't let my actual comment get in the way of your indignation and moral superiority. I shall not comment here further I feel I am being trolled for my views, views held by half the voting population. No one is interested in the Greek economic crisis or the Spanish one. Nationalism is alive and kicking on here. As long as what is happen in the world can be blamed on Leavers. Crack on

AccrualIntentions · 17/09/2017 14:54

@chester no you're not being trolled for your views, you made a fucking horrible comment which you've rightly been called out for (and which had sod all to do with Brexit so had even less place on this thread).

But go ahead, play the victim, it's all these nasty Remoaners being special snowflakes, yada yada.

annandale · 17/09/2017 14:55

Yes we talk about the rolling bed closures at work as it gets harder to recruit nurses. Some areas of work are actually much quieter as no beds, also lack of scrub nurses so fewer operations, fewer patients being seen. I've caught up with my filing. Tbh at least some of that is to do with higher demands for written English skills in recruiting nurses. The IELTS now needs nurses to write an English essay on any topic, eg current politics. Not obviously relevant to their work.

In general I don't recognise many things on this thread. Of course there were reasons to vote leave. The threat of TTIP persuaded a lot of people that we needed to get out. You could certainly argue that a whole generation of Spanish nurses coming to British hospitals didn't say good things about the EU, and a lot about British entitlement. The suffering of Greece is and was horrible. The Fortress Europe mentality and response to the Syrian refugee crisis was unedifying. It does no one any good to say half the country was insane.

Do I agree with the Leave vote? No, I think it was fucking stupid and in a particularly British way. My relatives were almost all the wrong age to fight in wars - quirks of timing meant most relatives of mine were too young for WWI and too old or too young for WWII. I had a great uncle die on the Western Front, that's it. They were all big into colonial shit though. There's a street in an Indian city named after my grandfather. My dh's relatives were more into survival - his grandad dodged WWII conscription and went into hiding for a bit as he didn't want to fight rich men's wars and be cannon fodder. They and i still have the right to opinions.

What they all knew is that war is to be avoided. I voted Remain because I think on balance the EU makes war less likely and managing the inevitable negative legacies of colonialism a bit easier. It's not all going to be pretty and we can't pretend that we can stand aside from difficult messy international issues, but that's why the EU exists and should still exist. Unfortunately we have proved again that we would rather not deal with the real world.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 17/09/2017 14:55

and still, the Remain voters continue to patronise the Leave voters and tell them what they're thinking

On these threads it's the norm.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:56

What?

Asking a question is abuse now? How come?

CaptainBrickbeard · 17/09/2017 14:57

I am interested in the Greek and Spanish situation; I just don't know how it means leaving the EU is a good idea. And I never will, because Leavers can't answer any questions and pretty much always flounce off without explaining their sound bites further!

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 17/09/2017 14:57

Why don't Leave voters engage with you Elendon?

It sure is a tough one.
Perhaps things like this

Rule Britannia is probably your meme though.

Make them think - "nah, can't be arsed to engage with twats"

TheElementsSong · 17/09/2017 14:58

views held by half the voting population

I rather hope half the voting population don't quite hold those exact views.

As for being trolled or oppressed or whatever, who was it who brought up the Wars thing in the first place as a sign of special worthiness to comment on this essentially unrelated topic, and then repeated it several times, and then said they meant every word?

AccrualIntentions · 17/09/2017 15:01

Funny how 52% of Leave voters don't agree with you. Or just over 1 in 2 for the numerically challenged.

Ermmm, do you actually mean 52% of those who voted in the Referendum? Or 52% of Leave voters. Because those aren't the same thing...Hmm

Elendon · 17/09/2017 15:03

But I love Rule Britannia and I have duel nationality! I went with a Spanish scientist to the last night of the Proms. Such a lovely evening. She had her flag and I had mine. This was over 25 years ago!

Good grief can you not see? There are people in the USA who have no idea where Shakespeare was born but think Hamlet is great!
Hamlet, set in Denmark
Romeo and Juliet, set in Italy
Macbeth set in Scotland

Shakespeare was all up for European union.

midnightmisssuki · 17/09/2017 15:08

no - not anymore anyway (where i work) - it was discussed briefly after the vote, but that died down pretty quickly and people just moved on.

I think people at work discuss normal tory/labour politics more often than anything else Does get quite boring as the arguments never change and i don't know anyone who's political stance has changed because of other people's arguments.

FWIW - i am foreign and I'm not worried about brexit.

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/09/2017 15:14

Elendon

Can I just point out that I didn't say that asking questions was abuse.

Just that in previous threads leavers have suffered from abuse by various posters.

(although I fully expect the word abuse to be taken out of context)

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