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Do your family, friends, work colleagues, anyone ever discuss Brexit anymore?

459 replies

StevieNicksMirage · 16/09/2017 17:11

My family don't. None of my friends are interested. Nor are my work colleagues.

Was wondering if it ever comes up in anyone else's conversations.

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Elendon · 17/09/2017 13:34

No one has to explain their voting decisions to anyone - it's a private matter.

Not regarding the referendum. It wasn't private at all.

Now, I voted to remain in the EU, because simply, I wasn't convinced by the leave vote. It was close, but ultimately, they had no, not one, valid argument to leave. This left me anxious because, if I could not be convinced to leave, then how the heck could negotiations then take place?

I didn't even punt on this. It was evident and clear that the leave votes argument was based on a house of cards.

TheElementsSong · 17/09/2017 13:36

It's tough now but in the end it'll be worth it.

How long, approximately (say - to the decade, I'm not looking for great accuracy) do you estimate until "the end"?

CaptainBrickbeard · 17/09/2017 13:38

Hooray, Shtinkay can tell us why it's worth it! Finally, are we going to get an answer?!

Elendon · 17/09/2017 13:41

All Brexit supporters - myself included - have no regrets.

Another dear god moment. You narrowly won a referendum. That divided the country. You now have to negotiate. And eat humble pie.

Rule Britannia is probably your meme though.

WyclefJohn · 17/09/2017 13:44

You all know the Einstein definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

You are not going to get good rational answers from leavers on why it was a good idea, because while at an emotional level, it might have felt good to say a big FU to Jonny Foreigner and to 'get back control', it should be clear that there aren't any significant rational benefits to Brexit, at least for the forseeable future, and leavers, by and large, know it. It is a massive act of national self-sabotage and countries around the world are scratching their heads at why we would have done it.

CaptainBrickbeard · 17/09/2017 13:51

I know, Wyclef, I just want them to admit it 😂

BruceAndNoush · 17/09/2017 13:56

@WyclefJohn and still, the Remain voters continue to patronise the Leave voters and tell them what they're thinking. You really think that there is not one 'rational' answer in the millions who voted to leave? Really? You think the majority of leave voters 'know' that there are no benefits to leaving? Do you not have any self-awareness at all to see how massively patronising you are being?

It was the same at the general election. The reason Conservatives "don't engage" and the reason leave voters "don't engage" is because it is impossible to engage the other side in a reasoned, healthy debate or exchange of views without being patronised in this manner.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:00

You really think that there is not one 'rational' answer in the millions who voted to leave?

Please please please tell us a rational answer in voting to leave! Please!

I want to be given hope! I want you to give me hope. Can you not provide me with that?

alltouchedout · 17/09/2017 14:01

Yes, of course. DH and many of my friends are EU nationals. My family all voted remain and become more dismayed by the day at how things are going. At work most people are remainers and some leavers but all of us are aware that Brexit is going to have a huge effect on, well, everything, so it's a common topic of conversation. I have some leaver friends, we talk about it. Good conversations too, because none of them come out with "it will all be worth it so let's just get on with it and be patriotic" bullshit. We share our fears and our hopes and we talk about compromises and what is the best way to make the greatest number of people, if not happy, then at least somewhat satisfied. As all of them can explain just why they voted leave and have actual reasons and arguments and don't pretend everything is rosy in the Brexit garden we can discuss and debate quite well.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:02

I've gone beyond reasoned debate now. I'm now reduced to begging.

Please give me a reason why it was good to leave the EU. A morsel of comfort. PLEASE!

loveka · 17/09/2017 14:03

Yes. Had a long discussion about it with friends last night.

Mainly about how fucking stupid and irrational it is. How it's fucking up our economy. How Theresa May is evil, worse than Thatcher. How powerless we feel.

I honestly feel a bunch of racists have set our country back years.

I work all over Europe and in every country I visit they are incredulous that we are doing this.

WyclefJohn · 17/09/2017 14:03

Bruce, you can't claim the victimhood. Do you not see in this thread, after page 14, those who were asking politely for a solid explanation of what the benefits would be, not one has been offered. Once it becomes clear, and a remainer spots it, you can't them go and claim you're being patronised. If the leavers on this thread really knew of the benefits, perhaps they could explain.

No doubt there are some who will benefit from Brexit - relocation services for example, there will be more work for lawyers, and there will be people who may find it easier to find work in their field, but taken at the aggregate level, I don't see any great benefits to Brexit.

holdthewine · 17/09/2017 14:04

One irony is that some of the knee jerk Brexiteers wanted fewer "foreigners", bottom line. I've heard some say it on TV.

Now, I'm guessing some (not all, of course) of that type of Brexiteers will be racist too. My DC works in the NHS with many EU professionals. If they don't sort out NHS recruitment for after Brexit they will return to recruiting from the Commonwealth: Caribbean, Africa and India to make up the skill loss. Im guessing the knee jerk voters may not have thought this through ..... Hmm

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/09/2017 14:09

Elendon

Posters have previously put forward responses to your question and have been shot down.

Why do you think that they should put their responses forward after that?

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/09/2017 14:10

loveka

Good to see that you haven't generalised at all Hmm

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:13

Well let's hope the government are taking a more proactive approach to the exit negotiations than the few hardliners left on here. (there used to be so many!)

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:14

Posters have previously put forward responses to your question and have been shot down.

Where? And I asked more than one question. Try again!

CaptainBrickbeard · 17/09/2017 14:16

The answers put forward on this thread are:

A) people died in the world wars, some of them related to Chester.
B) Greek and Spanish unemployment
C) sovereignty

I can't say I am in any way enlightened due to the failure to explain how any one of those means leaving the EU is a good thing.

Chestervase1 · 17/09/2017 14:20

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ImminentDisaster · 17/09/2017 14:21

That is really nasty, Chester.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:22

How Theresa May is evil, worse than Thatcher.

What like Hitler and Stalin? Jong Un? South American dictatorships? Genghis Khan?

This isn't about political personalities, despite big contenders being in there like Boris Johnson and Jacob R Mogg.

Stop with the obfuscation. It doesn't work.

Mrskeats · 17/09/2017 14:23

Reported Chester
Really showing your true colours. Just nasty

Elendon · 17/09/2017 14:24

Chestervase1

Way to win friends and influence people.

I would be totally ashamed of having voted leave after what you have just posted.

Scary times ahead.

TheElementsSong · 17/09/2017 14:24

Really charming Chester to Captain, I'm hurt. I thought it was just me you loved.

Chestervase1 · 17/09/2017 14:24

Meant every word