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Do your family, friends, work colleagues, anyone ever discuss Brexit anymore?

459 replies

StevieNicksMirage · 16/09/2017 17:11

My family don't. None of my friends are interested. Nor are my work colleagues.

Was wondering if it ever comes up in anyone else's conversations.

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LittleBearPad · 17/09/2017 10:07

Yes, I frequently discuss it with friends and at work. Maybe a bit less with family but that's because the leavers in my family take most if their information from the Daily Mail and are woefully ill-informed. One told me that all the immigrants from Eastern Europe EU countries were here illegally. Another couldn't understand how I could be a remainer and patriotic.

The paucity of talent in the government to even try to make some form of best of leaving is depressing too. The PM and Cabinet are almost all mediocre and hugely out of their depth. If we have to leave it might be nice if there was someone at least competent to lead us into the shitshow the country has voted for - but there is no one at all.

It's all very embarrassing.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 10:08

Bruce please share this wonderful prime example of why it's good! Throw some goodness into the thread!

I'd be happy to share in the good news that is Brexit.

streetface · 17/09/2017 10:09

I realise that accrual but the fact of the matter is lots of people vote because of lived experiences not because of arguments that don't seem relevant to the reality of their lives. Particularly when their own arguments have been dismissed and minimised.

terriblemistake · 17/09/2017 10:10

It doesn't really come up in conversation much except when I'm watching the news with family and we see another prime example of a reason why we voted Leave, and feel pleased that it's going ahead!

What examples come up that make you feel pleased? Genuine question.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 10:10

Perhaps Bruce you are happy that the government is in turmoil? Is this a good enough reason?

theabysswithin · 17/09/2017 10:21

BruceAndNoush

"It doesn't really come up in conversation much except when I'm watching the news with family and we see another prime example of a reason why we voted Leave, and feel pleased that it's going ahead!"

So what exactly are you seeing when you're watching the news which makes you so delighted its going ahead?

wictional · 17/09/2017 10:21

I think there's a feeling in the UK that you can't be patriotic

I have never felt less patriotic than on the morning after the vote. It stripped away the pride I had in our country. I felt ashamed to be British.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 17/09/2017 10:25

Often say " bet he/she voted Brexit" in a variety of situations where someone pisses me off.

I wouldn't be friends with anyone who voted brexit.

Attitudes such as the above are why I can't be arsed to engage with Remoaners.

A vocal minority of whining bores with an unbearably supercilious attitude.

(Remoaners are not representative of all remain voters, obviously - just a tedious subsection).

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 17/09/2017 10:28

So what exactly are you seeing when you're watching the news which makes you so delighted its going ahead?

Junckers latest 'vision' speech for one.

LivinTheHighLife · 17/09/2017 10:32

Faith I noticed these quotes. Posters really need to cop onto themselves.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 17/09/2017 10:32

Because when workers were having their jobs stripped from them no one listened. It only became important when Remainers jobs might be affected

Didnt that happen in 2007?

So without any referendums back in 2007 anyone who might vote for remain in the future didnt care...

So what were people who might vote leave in 9 years time doing...cos i reckon it was naff all

If i have completely misunderstood the point my apologies...it happens a lot Smile

PerfectlyPooPoo · 17/09/2017 10:33

Faith the irony. You don't think referring to remainers as remoaners is part of the problem? ?

theabysswithin · 17/09/2017 10:35

FaithHope Juncker is an arrogant tool, no question about that.

"Attitudes such as the above are why I can't be arsed to engage with Remoaners.

A vocal minority of whining bores with an unbearably supercilious attitude."

The problem I have with this line of argument is that when you ask leavers why they voted to leave they invariably trot out the arrogance and superciliousness of remainers. There is some truth in this -- some remainers default to the assumption that everyone who voted leave is thick.

But the fact that remainers are arrogant doesn't on its own form a credible reason to vote out of the EU, let alone a constructive plan for doing so. Based on the arguments I've seen here and elsewhere, the sole reason for voting out was a general non-specific resentment of the fact that politician and the "metropolitan elite" were talking down to people and ignoring their needs.

The problem with this is that its the equivalent of a teenager torching his parents' house because he's had a row with his dad. It's a childish act of rebellion without any constructive plan to move things forward.

I totally agree about Juncker, and about the fact that the EU did and does take a supercilious and entitled attitude towards its member states. But that is not in and of itself a justification for voting for something which will do such irreparable damage to our economy and our standing in the world.

Which is why, again, I'd love to have a serious list of reasons from a leaver other than the fact that EU politicians and the media/London types are arrogant for voting out.

Elendon · 17/09/2017 10:36

But what exactly was in Junker's latest speech that made you feel happy? You need to clarify the point!

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 17/09/2017 10:36

Faith the irony. You don't think referring to remainers as remoaners is part of the problem?

I think I was pretty specific!

I was quite clear in my distinction - Remoaners are a very distinct sub-section; they are not in any way representative of all remain voters.

I have many remain voting friends as well as Leave voters - thankfully none of them are twats!

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 17/09/2017 10:37

please also ignore the two World Wars we fought in the last century for our freedom

What now

Elendon · 17/09/2017 10:38

Plus Juncker is not going to be there forever. This vote is.

Please give me some traction on what is good about Brexit! PLEASE! I could do with a bit of happiness.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 17/09/2017 10:40

Im also a bit pissed off with the moaning remainers schtick

I am unhappy with the weather ...i moan

I am unhappy with my boss at work....i moan

The children are annoying....i moan

This is britain....we moan

Based on the above im probably the most patriotic person on here

CaptainBrickbeard · 17/09/2017 10:40

Elendon, don't waste your time! I've been asking since te referendum campaigning for one solid reason why Brexit is a good idea and I've never been given one. There aren't any! Hilariously, Leavers on here starting claiming there are loads of good reasons but they weeent going to tell us remoaners any of them because we are all so mean...

Evelynismyspyname · 17/09/2017 10:41

When Leavers say "remoaners" don't they mean any remained who still dares talk about Brexit and hasn't bought into the rather fatuous (and incorrect) "it's done now, let's crack on" argument pushed by those who don't want to think about what's happening?

PerfectlyPooPoo · 17/09/2017 10:42

Bt you're calling people who aren't happy with the vote outcome and more importantly how the exit is going remoaners.

Is it only good little remainers who stay quiet that are fine?

WyclefJohn · 17/09/2017 10:44

It does seem to me that it is leavers who generally want remainers to get on board and make Brexit a success, but those who voted remain did so because they thought that Brexit would make things worse for the UK (it would make us poorer, reduce our influence in the world). Just because 52% of the country voted for Brexit, it doesn't change the assumption that it will make us poorer. To do so seems to go against all common sense. If you vote to make it more difficult to trade with your biggest trading partners, we will lose out.

In the long run, it might be ok, but as Keynes wrote, "in the long run, we're all dead".

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 17/09/2017 10:44

Yep agree with faith

She said a small subsection...more than happy with that

Elendon · 17/09/2017 10:47

This is a good summary of what the EU (Withdrawal) Bill will look like.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8079

Elendon · 17/09/2017 10:52

I presume this is what pleases leavers? Following quote taken from link above:

'Taking back control

The Bill is a response to the decision taken by the electorate of the United Kingdom on 23 June 2016 to leave the EU. One of the stated aims of the successful campaign to leave the EU was to enable domestic political institutions to “take back control” of the laws that applied in the UK.

Clause 1 of this Bill repeals the European Communities Act 1972 on the day that the UK leaves the EU. It returns to Parliament sole competence to legislate over policy areas where such competence is currently ceded to or shared with the EU.

The Bill provides that after exit day EU law no longer has supremacy over legislation passed by the UK Parliament and rulings made by UK courts. Laws made by Parliament post-Brexit will no longer be subject to the principle of the supremacy of EU law. It provides for legal certainty by establishing a mechanism to retain, for the time being, the corpus of EU law which presently applies to the UK, but domestic courts will, when interpreting retained EU law, no longer be bound to follow the judgments of the Court of Justice of the European Union handed down after exit day (clauses 5 and 6).'

But it's by no means certain that domestic law will NOT follow EU directives post exit.