Do your family, friends, work colleagues, anyone ever discuss Brexit anymore?

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My family don't. None of my friends are interested. Nor are my work colleagues.

Was wondering if it ever comes up in anyone else's conversations.

All the time, but we work in an industry that has EU funding so it's really important

Do remember that any split of the vote except by location is extrapolation from small opinion polls, I.e one step up from guesswork. Not facts.

"Often say " bet he/she voted Brexit" in a variety of situations where someone pisses me off."

I do too.

And that , boys and girls, is why there is no discussion. Closed minds.

Preserve us from those who are certain, either way.

The "we'll just use WTO terms" thing does my head in too. The UK doesn't have its own tariff schedule (using the EU one at the moment). It's not at all clear that we have any automatic right to just "copy and paste" the EU negotiated one (which is quite good). Many of the countries on less favourable tariffs could - understandably and justifiably - resist that pretty strongly.

Its funny how people dismiss the vote analysis so easily.

Its like they are embarrassed about it.

I think the analysis of who voted what - which reveals that brexit was most popular with the elderly and those with poorer education is far more accurate than this bizarre presence that brexit was the poor revolting against the rich.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

"we'll just use WTO terms"

They used to say that on the Brexit Arms all the time.

If you asked anything about it, they wouldn't discuss it. Closed minds and all.

Why is everyone saying the standard of living in the EU is rising, have living standards suddenly improved in Greece then. Please feel free to ignore what happened in Greece because it doesn't fit your Agenda. Please also ignore the two World Wars we fought in the last century for our freedom.

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"If you're a remainer remember that I have the right to decide what to do with my vote, claiming it's wrong as I'm selfish, ignorant, duped, etc is childish."

There is a lot of unhelpful vitriol on both sides. It is ignorant to assume all leavers are thick.

But I'm just curious to hear exactly what it is leavers think is going to happen which is going to be so good? How is this going to benefit the economy? how will it help our relationship with the rest of the world?

When the evidence so far is that its such a manifest disaster...

Someone upthread said they were sick of remainers moaning. The problem is when you have tangible evidence that something has been done to your country very much against your will and with a questionable democratic mandate, it does tend to make you moan. I would have moaned in Nazi Germany as well and I don't think there's anything wrong with moaning when you think you've been f*ed over by your political system and by people who failed to understand the consequences of what they were voting for.

I don't think all leavers are thick or duped but I do think a lot of them voted for emotional, gut reasons without having properly understood the impact on the country of this huge decision. Now the rest of us are stuck with it and have to listen to people saying "well that was the popular vote, let's crack on and stop moaning." When in fact leavers have yet to share one example of how this vote has created one iota of positive value for this country.

So I'd really like to hear from a leaver a list of specific things which Brexit is going to do which will improve this country. I'm all ears...

I hate it when people with zero understanding of history try to bring the wars into it. Pray tell, which of our "freedoms" that were fought for have been in any way compromised by our membership of the European Union? Could you be specific?

So I'd really like to hear from a leaver a list of specific things which Brexit is going to do which will improve this country. I'm all ears...

We can't even get that from the government so I don't hold out much hope for getting a response from any of the Leavers on this site.

We talk about it at work pretty much constantly, because we are directly affected by it.

Talk about it quite a lot socially, too. The only person I refuse to discuss it with is my BIL, who voted leave because he doesn't like immigrants. I am an immigrant. Despite his best efforts, I refuse to discuss it with him. There is no point - he isn't interested in a discussion or open to listening to my POV.

"We won the Wars" is now an argument in favour of Brexit? Good grief.

"Please also ignore the two World Wars we fought in the last century for our freedom."

What a childish load of nonsense.

Erm Dunkirk?

We won the wars - really? Russia and the USA had nothing to do with it?

Question is - is "we won the wars all on our lonesome with no cooperation whatsoever" a more amusing reason than "France, Spain, Italy and Poland are being smushed together into an Esperanto-speaking cultural-greige-smear-of-doom"?

So we've had 'political correctness gone mad' preventing us from being patriotic and now the world wars used on this thread to support Brexit 😂 When vacuous, meaningless sound bites are trotted out then it's clear there are no actual decent reasons underpinning this ridiculous farce. We've been asking since the vote how on earth Brexit will improve things for any of us; all we get is this drivel about national pride. I'd be a lot prouder of Britain if we didn't undertake a huge act of self harm, decimate living standards and make utter fools of ourselves in front of the world by pursuing the stupidity of Brexit!

Not Russia, Soviet Union.

Oh I'm sure Chester will be back to discuss in detail how she thinks brexit is similar to ww1/2, and why the eu - seeing as they are just like nazi germany or something- should have run the Greek economy better.

Oh no actually I doubt she will return to this thread because this is what the majority of leavers do.

Drop a clanger and then disappear.

It's telling that so many are unable to discuss brexit beyond a few soundbites.

It doesn't really come up in conversation much except when I'm watching the news with family and we see another prime example of a reason why we voted Leave, and feel pleased that it's going ahead!

I think the attitudes towards people that voted Brexit is the sneery, pompous rot that got us into this mess. When we ignore people because they are 'poor' 'uneducated' and 'haven't a clue' like our wonderfully middle class, educated selves, they WILL vote in the face of what they are told is 'best for them'.

I just KNEW Brexit would happen. I KNEW Trump would get in. And it pisses me off so much that all the blame is put on the people who truly believed Brexit would make life better for them and not in any way at the feet of the people who's attitudes towards the poor, less educated and vulnerable in society allowed their concerns to be utterly dismissed.

Lots of people bear responsibility for this mess.

Well between my family we have five bachelors degrees, three masters, one MBA and a PhD so certainly not uneducated, or poor!

And it pisses me off so much that all the blame is put on the people who truly believed Brexit would make life better for them and not in any way at the feet of the people who's attitudes towards the poor, less educated and vulnerable in society allowed their concerns to be utterly dismissed.

But they do shoulder some of the blame. Not as much as the people at the top manipulating them, but they still went out in droves and voted for this in the face of credible concerns and factual arguments against it. I'm not overflowing with sympathy for the people who voted to worsen both their own situation and mine.

No because it's pointless to discuss it with those whose positions are so entrenched they think everyone who voted Brexit is an idiot, xenophobic or a numpty.

This.

I was actually about to add that obviously I realise that not everyone that voted Brexit was uneducated. That goes without saying. But I do think the immigration argument swung it and that tends to come from poorer communities who have benefited in less ways than others.