Religion

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There have been a few threads in regards to religion and without exception there are always a few posters who cannot help themselves from being disrespectful.

Is it difficult to get a point across without a slight dig? Criticism is part of a healthy discussion but to be so rude about something that is very important to some. ..is it really needed?
I've never felt the need to be rude about anyones belief no matter how strange I find it to be.

So basically aibu in expecting respect in any conversation

@Cailleach666 no I personally don't think it is ok. Minors shouldn't be targeted by any religious group

It's fine for them to believe it however

And also fine for them to feel the need to "save" people as long as they're not pushing it on people who clearly aren't interested.

In my eyes with evangelism it's a bit like sex... it's ok to carry on if someone of a mature age/mind who can reasonably consent (like we have an age of consent) wants you to and is engaging after you've tried flirting and building up to it. Once someone says no... you don't keep on trying to persuade them, you respect it completely or you're guilty of rape

*not religious, ex- evangelical myself

I completely disagree with that nasty comment, struggllng with the concept of science, equality and logic.

As has been pointed out repeatedly in these sort of discussions, religion is all about belief. Belief has nothing to do with evidence, facts, knowledge, logic, nothing at all.

There is no reason why the two - science and religion - cannot coexist as they each require completely different, unrelated processes. Theyenot mutually exclusive.

A lot of atheists think people who believe in God as unintelligent. I actually think the same of atheists. I cannot imagine how any intelligent person can believe we are just here for nothing Obviously i can't describe why i believe in God because that is my faith, but it amazes me why seemingly intelligent people are so closed minded. Our whole existence is a miracle, we have been created. Glory to God.

The Roman Catholic Church has absolutely zero respect for me as a woman. It seeks to control my body and my fertility.

In return, I have zero respect for it and its misogynistic clergy. They can all fuck themselves. When they run out of children to fuck, obviously.

I have zero respect for the Islamic faith, mainly because of the way it treats women as inferior beings.

I respect people, I ridicule ridiculous ideas.

If someone believes a 6 yo child wearing a dress is corrupting their snowflakes mind then I will ridicule that.
If someone believes women should sit at the back of the room I will ridicule that.

If someone casts a spell to create blood and flesh they tucks into a cannibalistic feast, I will ridicule that.

We wont move forward as a society if sensible people dont point out ridiculous ideas.

I wouldn't respect a parent that allows their child to constantly change what they want to be known as, hoy or girl depending on what clothes they wear. What right should they have to confuse such young minds depending on their whims.

roseforarose until you walk a mile in their shoes..... you have no idea what these parents have been through'. What right should a religious parent have to confuse such young minds depending on their whims.

The child was six, the parents were not thinking of the other children, the parents will probably do more harm to that boy by making an issue. At six he wouldn't have been old enough to decide things like that. Also it wasn't as if he decided he wanted to be a girl, he kept changing his mind. His 6 YEAR OLD classmates were expected to accept that he can be a boy when wearing "boys clothes" and a girl when wearing "girls clothes".

Utter madness.

The Roman Catholic Church has absolutely zero respect for me as a woman. It seeks to control my body and my fertility.

@BonnieF

Unless you're personally part of it and a practicing Roman Catholic... I'm not sure how?!

@roseforarose funnily enough the Islamic faith has much in its scriptures that protect its women's rights

There are of course many sects of Islam and different ones seem to demonstrate the faith differently

I'm an ex evangelical... came from a Christian church cult that definitely considered men superior for some roles eg, women didn't preach and were the head of the household. Never felt inferior however. At the time I quite liked filling what was a women's role in it. From the outside things can look one way... whereas to those living it, they actually enjoy living that way

The scriptures might do so embarrassed but the reality is these rights get ignored. The plight of many women in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia etc is terrible. They literally don't have any rights. Totally dominated by the men who literally have control of them.

@roseforarose I'm not disagreeing it happens

But that's cultural and not the religion itself necessarily. Religion is used to justify it

Just like wars are mostly fought to get richer... and religion is used to justify them

But not all people of the religion justify it

I think people should be allowed to believe in whatever they choose but to rude and obnoxious to those who don't have the same beliefs is abhorrent live
And let live .

Historically religion has been used as an excuse for mass murder, oppression, censorship, dictatorship, fear mongering, marital rape, child abuse etc. Not really shocking that a lot of people have little respect for it?

True Ttbb but this is generally from extremists of such religions a which usually has nothing to do with fundamental beliefs but I'm agnostic what would I know?

YAB a bit U and naive OP to expect respect in any conversation because some people are dicks. They need to be dicks to other groups be it women, gays, POC, those who hold different beliefs regarding religion or politics etc. Respect in any conversation is possible and desirable for reasonable people, but not for dicks, who are not really interested in conversation at all, they're there with the sole intention of putting others down.

Quite Dione .

I have zero respect for the Islamic faith, mainly because of the way it treats women as inferior beings.
My religion doesn't treat me as an inferior being but I've found people that hold views such as yours often do. Islam gives me joy, fulfillment and freedom amongst other things, as it does for millions of others.

religion uugghh thank God I'm a Christian and not religious God hates religion it states this in the bible religion is man made and means return to bondage religious ppl think wearing certain stuff or not eatin certain foods will bring them closer to God when in fact the only way to God is thru Jesus

Whereas for a non religious person accomodating a religious person holds no consequence either immediately or in any hereafter

Unless you are a school child at any state school and have to take part in daily worship.

Unless you want an abortion in NI.

Unless you want to go to the supermarket at 6pm on a Sunday (waves to Scottish MNers who can do this).

Unless you are a woman professional and the other person is a male orthodox Jew who doesn't think you should be working so won't do business with you.

Unless you want a law to be passed in England without the C of E's approval.

Unless you want the morning after pill and the pharmacist won't sell it to you because they don't agree with your beliefs.

That's just in the UK.

What I find difficult is the way that people of faith always say, when challenged about something bad that's happened connected to their religion that it's cultural, or nothing to do with their religion, or it's those co religionists over there, nothing to do with me, Or that it's something that used to happen, but doesn't any more. The way, for example, that many Catholics talk about the child abuse and other scandals within the church is nothing short of shocking. And all the Muslim women who talk about how free they are, and the free choice they have made (for example) to cover completely ignores the fact that many other women throughout the world do not have these free choices.

So basically aibu in expecting respect in any conversation

You're not asking for respect, you are asking for special protected status for views and the right to shut down any question you don't like for being 'disrespectful' of your religious views.

The way, for example, that many Catholics talk about the child abuse and other scandals within the church is nothing short of shocking.

Not just that but any organisation with that sort of problem should be looking at why it occurs, are they actively recruiting abusers? Obviously not knowingly but are abusers attracted to something about the lifestyle?

lot of atheists think people who believe in God as unintelligent. I actually think the same of atheists. I cannot imagine how any intelligent person can believe we are just here for nothing Obviously i can't describe why i believe in God because that is my faith, but it amazes me why seemingly intelligent people are so closed minded. Our whole existence is a miracle, we have been created. Glory to God.

Oh dear.

Even if we accept that the world was created by a divine creator, how do you explain things like Hurricane Irma? Why would a loving god create weather conditions that cause such misery, why would he/she/they create paracites? What about cancers in children?

You go on about the wonder, but ignore the needless misery. On the same basis could we not conclude that it is the work of a malevolent god or an incompetent god or gods.

Why do you assume it is a single god in Judeo-Christian tradition? There's no indication that it is actually this, it could be the work of many divine beings.

And yet you call other people close minded and unintelligent.