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To not want to sign over half of my flat

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UnreasonableNotUnreasonable · 12/09/2017 09:45

I've name changed as I feel this could be very outing.

It's a case of AIBU/WWYD.

DH and I have a large mortgage on a flat, that now with 2 little DC, has become very impractical in terms of access to and from it, and to the shared garden. We are on the top floor and there is no lift. Access to the garden is via a metal, spiral staircase, and the garden is not fenced off, and has an access road running along at the bottom of it, as well as another to one side of the garden. There are therefore moving vehicles nearby, and any members of the public or other residents can just enter the garden. We're also not allowed to leave Prams/pushchairs in the communal areas, which makes things extremely awkward, nor are we even allowed any pets (we have a share in freehold, and the management company do not allow pets).

I didn't want to take on such a large mortgage, but DH is a complete snob who will only live in gentrified areas, and will never commute any further than 30 minutes each way for work, which is in the centre of the city. We had to hurry and get a mortgage after 2 years of failing to get on the property ladder, as our deposit was allowing us to get less and less for our money, so I reluctantly agreed to a large mortgage.

DH is from a different culture to me, and he and his family always said not to worry about the mortgage when we start having children, as for them, helping financially and having children are very important. They are a lot more well off than my family, and I've always been financially independent, but 2 of them said they'd pay half of the mortgage for as many years as I wanted to be a SAHM. They assured us there were no ulterior motives or expectations. I was delighted and grateful, but also quite apprehensive as I'm not used to this set up.

Unfortunately, the person who had been helping financially every month, and who we trusted completely, became ill and unable to help. Family member 2 seamlessly stepped in, and the payments continued. We were extremely grateful, but I have never trusted this person, and my DH also doesn't trust him to some extent. I do not want to say why on here (nothing criminal or untoward though!).

Family member 2 has been paying half of our monthly payments for 2 and a half years. He has now said that he wants to own half of our flat, and this will enable him and my DH to release finance from it in order to buy a cheaper property to rent out. He then said that if not enough money could be released, then the money that could be released could be used to pay into our mortgage to reduce our monthly payments, and then he won't have to give us money every month, or can give us a lot less. To make matters worse, we believe that the money he gives us and pretends it's his money, is actually not his, but money from the person who is now too ill to manage their own finances, as this person signed over responsibilities of his finances to him. If so, then he will own half of our flat without having paid a penny of his own money into it! When we do eventually move from here, he'll take half of all of the money and my DH and I won't be able to afford anything.

He has told us that if we don't agree to sign over half of our flat, he'll stop paying half of the mortgage every month! We would lose our home. I'm a SAHM and a part time student who would have to give up studying for her Degree and very quickly try and get a job. I'd have to pay an extortionate rate for nursery for both DC, and would have hardly any money to put towards the mortgage anyway, and would lose our flat. I don't have any family nearby who can offer free childcare.

My DH thinks we should just agree to this scheme, and we keep arguing about it every day. I've suffered with stress and depression before, and all the crying, worry and arguing is really affecting me. I feel a deep anguish, as there is a very easy way out of this situation, as detailed below:

With the equity we have on our flat, we could sell it and just about afford to buy a small house with a garden - outright. I would do this tomorrow, by DH absolutely, point blank refuses as the house would be in a town that borders my parents' town. He doesn't have a problem with them, but he HATES their area and all of those that surround it. In his words, 'they're full of chavs and people who aren't decent, and there are no good shops and facilities, and those areas have nothing going for them.' I disagree with his terminology and the accuracy of what he's saying. He can get to work within 35 minutes from there, property prices are rising very fast, there is a community atmosphere, the shops are fine for day to day and there are many shops and facilities within 15 minutes drive in other towns. Most importantly for me, I could be near to my family and we could support each other, and we could afford the type of family home that we need now, without a mortgage!

DH is in lots of debt, as he always lives beyond his means and cannot borrow any more money to help us buy elsewhere. He works really hard and takes extra hours at work, but if we lived mortgage free near my parents, he wouldn't need to do the extra work and could pay his debts. I've put this to him, but he just calls the areas shitholes and refuses. I think he's really childish and extremely selfish.

DH and I are going around in circles, and the family member has told us that we have 6 months maximum to get half of our flat signed over to him and sort out the release of funds. My family are so worried and annoyed that my DH won't listen to me and do what they and I think is the logical, common sense option.

I feel trapped and like I'm going to have no choice but to sign over half of our flat. My DH and I are usually happy, but this is really affecting us, to the point where I've even considered filing for divorce so that I don't have to be forced into doing something I disagree with. I don't think I'd have the balls though, and I don't want it to come to that.

I am absolutely desperate and feel helpless. Please tell me WWYD, and if I am being unreasonable and should just sign. Is my DH selfish?

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SouthWindsWesterly · 12/09/2017 09:48

Bloody hell.

Right - do not sign over half of your flat. Get some serious financial advice. If needs be, sellnup and buy the small house outright, whilst beating your husbands with the repetitive words "we must live within our means"

You do realise that you're married to a snob? A snob with slightly dodgy relatives who is using finances to blackmail you into signing over assets

Booboobooboo84 · 12/09/2017 09:48

Your DH is being v v unreasonable

hohum1234 · 12/09/2017 09:48

Im absolutely staggered you would allow a member of his family to pay half your mortgage.

5rivers7hills · 12/09/2017 09:49

Go back to work and start paying the mortgage yourselves.

Tell the family member 'thanks for your help but we won't be singing over half the flat'.

Why on earth did you let yourself be bullied into such an unsuitable property purchase?

Allthewaves · 12/09/2017 09:49

Do not sign over the flat

opheliacat · 12/09/2017 09:50

You are not being unreasonable but you are also not being reasonable to be unable to pay the mortgage and be a sahm. I would put college on hold and look for paid work.

5rivers7hills · 12/09/2017 09:51

You've married a useless twonk you know.... can't live within his means, takes money off other people, in debt, wants to give away half your house

Velvian · 12/09/2017 09:51

Do not agree to this, why can't dh sign over his share? You are living beyond your means and you should sell up. Do not accept any more financial 'help'

Monkeypuzzle32 · 12/09/2017 09:51

Can you change to an interest only mortgage?

MrMessy · 12/09/2017 09:51

I would get some legal advice pronto. Did you sign anything when the relative started helping you out? Do not sign over the flat under any circumstances. I know it is hard but you must somehow get this person out of your finances.

Migraleve · 12/09/2017 09:55

Perhaps you should look into getting yourself a job and paying your mortgage yourself Hmm

I'm completely at a loss to work out why you would sit back and allow someone else to make your mortgage payments

MrTrebus · 12/09/2017 09:55

So he wants to borrow more on your current mortgage to then reduce the mortgage on your current home? That makes no sense whatsoever. Honestly I genuinely would give DH an ultimatum, either we move to a mortgage free house and work on clearing his debts or you'll leave him. Honestly he sounds like a prize idiot and you will soon be homeless and/or bankrupt anyway due to his behaviour. Prioritise yourself and your child FFS! Big girl pants on and sort it out, do not sign over the flat, sell it now cut your losses and buy the house elsewhere and completely cut out this dodgy family member.

ferrier · 12/09/2017 09:56

You are married to someone who would rather live beyond their means than take a reduced set of circumstances. How long can you put up with that? The strain on you both must surely show and your dc will pick up on it.
I'd get out now.

Blink1982 · 12/09/2017 09:56

Oh wow. I have no advice but it sounds like your being forced into a very shit corner. Fm2 isn't using his own money is that right? Who could you check that info with? Either way I wouldn't be signing it over to anyone.

Valentine2 · 12/09/2017 09:56

You sound very sensible. Whatever you do, do not sign it over at any cost. You will always regret it.

ballestief · 12/09/2017 09:56

He has told us that if we don't agree to sign over half of our flat, he'll stop paying half of the mortgage every month! We would lose our home

Wow. Not really sure it's possible to say just how unreasonable both you and your DH are.

Plus you can't even just sign over half your flat anyway, if you have a mortgage on it.

Sell the flat you can't afford, get a job, and pay your own damn mortgage.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 12/09/2017 09:57

If the relative wants half your flat they need to pay for half of it, not just 1.25 years of mortgage payments.

Relying on family help has left you vulnerable. You need to live within your means. Selling up and buying closer to your parents sounds like the answer. Your DH is a childish idiot.

Dumdedumdum · 12/09/2017 09:58

You will be living like this forever. Debt is a terrible thing. Avoidable debt is madness.
Move house - it's not expensive and it's not even suitable. Surely there is not only a choice between current area and an area your dh hates - if you presented a third option he might find it easier to let go. Or, take the kids and move back in with parents and file for divorce while the flat is still in both your names.

NerrSnerr · 12/09/2017 09:58

You need to get a job and start paying your mortgage yourself, then you won't owe the family member anything. If you and your husband can't afford to cover the whole mortgage then you can't afford to be a SAHM

Silvereyes · 12/09/2017 09:59

You are not being unreasonable in any way at all.

Your DH seems to have a dangerous attitude to money. If you genuinely do not trust DHs relative, and your DH doesn't respect your concerns, you have more than your mortgage to think about.

You're in such a tricky situation but you need to protect you and your children's living situation over your DHs snobbery.

UnreasonableNotUnreasonable · 12/09/2017 09:59

Thank you so much for your advice so far.

I would go back to work, but after paying for childcare for my 2 DC, I'd be left with peanuts to put towards the mortgage, and we'd just lose our flat.

I very reluctantly agreed to buying our flat, as after 2 years of him not compromising on area at all, I just gave in as I was sick of our large deposit being worth less and less with the property rises.

When I became pregnant the first time, DH refused to move then even though I was telling him we wouldn't be able to afford it, but he wouldn't agree. He just kept saying that family member 1 will pay it for us as he has promised. That family member had helped my DH so much in the past and was completely trustworthy.

I've never been comfortable with just accepting the money, but DH has always been bailed out in the past and expects family financial support. I cannot earn enough now after childcare payments to pay my half and DH knows that, but still won't listen to me and move somewhere cheaper.

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TractorTedTed · 12/09/2017 09:59

Well for what it's worth I totally agree with you. Your dh is mad to think he can carry on living beyond his means.

Moving to your own house, that you own outright, would be fantastic! Even if he hates the area, can't you put it to him as a short-term thing? Say you live there for 5 years, you'll get yourselves out of the horrendous situation with the flat and own your own place that only you two can make decisions about. If property prices are rising, then in a few years you could sell it, your dh can save up in the meantime and you can buy somewhere you both like.

Penfold007 · 12/09/2017 10:01

You were both very naive to think this person would pay half your mortgage and not expect something in return. They may be entitled to their money back but don't sign over anything. If divorce is something you are seriously considering please get legal advice urgently.

hohum1234 · 12/09/2017 10:01

I think you need to split up. DH sounds insane.

SouthWindsWesterly · 12/09/2017 10:02

DH has always been bailed out in the past and expects family financial support

Ahhhh - he's one of those. I have a female friend who is very similar. No fiscal responsibility but expects either ex-husband or family to bail out. It's a shit attitude and leads to massive debt and repossession.

Is that the future you want for your children?

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