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To not want to sign over half of my flat

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UnreasonableNotUnreasonable · 12/09/2017 09:45

I've name changed as I feel this could be very outing.

It's a case of AIBU/WWYD.

DH and I have a large mortgage on a flat, that now with 2 little DC, has become very impractical in terms of access to and from it, and to the shared garden. We are on the top floor and there is no lift. Access to the garden is via a metal, spiral staircase, and the garden is not fenced off, and has an access road running along at the bottom of it, as well as another to one side of the garden. There are therefore moving vehicles nearby, and any members of the public or other residents can just enter the garden. We're also not allowed to leave Prams/pushchairs in the communal areas, which makes things extremely awkward, nor are we even allowed any pets (we have a share in freehold, and the management company do not allow pets).

I didn't want to take on such a large mortgage, but DH is a complete snob who will only live in gentrified areas, and will never commute any further than 30 minutes each way for work, which is in the centre of the city. We had to hurry and get a mortgage after 2 years of failing to get on the property ladder, as our deposit was allowing us to get less and less for our money, so I reluctantly agreed to a large mortgage.

DH is from a different culture to me, and he and his family always said not to worry about the mortgage when we start having children, as for them, helping financially and having children are very important. They are a lot more well off than my family, and I've always been financially independent, but 2 of them said they'd pay half of the mortgage for as many years as I wanted to be a SAHM. They assured us there were no ulterior motives or expectations. I was delighted and grateful, but also quite apprehensive as I'm not used to this set up.

Unfortunately, the person who had been helping financially every month, and who we trusted completely, became ill and unable to help. Family member 2 seamlessly stepped in, and the payments continued. We were extremely grateful, but I have never trusted this person, and my DH also doesn't trust him to some extent. I do not want to say why on here (nothing criminal or untoward though!).

Family member 2 has been paying half of our monthly payments for 2 and a half years. He has now said that he wants to own half of our flat, and this will enable him and my DH to release finance from it in order to buy a cheaper property to rent out. He then said that if not enough money could be released, then the money that could be released could be used to pay into our mortgage to reduce our monthly payments, and then he won't have to give us money every month, or can give us a lot less. To make matters worse, we believe that the money he gives us and pretends it's his money, is actually not his, but money from the person who is now too ill to manage their own finances, as this person signed over responsibilities of his finances to him. If so, then he will own half of our flat without having paid a penny of his own money into it! When we do eventually move from here, he'll take half of all of the money and my DH and I won't be able to afford anything.

He has told us that if we don't agree to sign over half of our flat, he'll stop paying half of the mortgage every month! We would lose our home. I'm a SAHM and a part time student who would have to give up studying for her Degree and very quickly try and get a job. I'd have to pay an extortionate rate for nursery for both DC, and would have hardly any money to put towards the mortgage anyway, and would lose our flat. I don't have any family nearby who can offer free childcare.

My DH thinks we should just agree to this scheme, and we keep arguing about it every day. I've suffered with stress and depression before, and all the crying, worry and arguing is really affecting me. I feel a deep anguish, as there is a very easy way out of this situation, as detailed below:

With the equity we have on our flat, we could sell it and just about afford to buy a small house with a garden - outright. I would do this tomorrow, by DH absolutely, point blank refuses as the house would be in a town that borders my parents' town. He doesn't have a problem with them, but he HATES their area and all of those that surround it. In his words, 'they're full of chavs and people who aren't decent, and there are no good shops and facilities, and those areas have nothing going for them.' I disagree with his terminology and the accuracy of what he's saying. He can get to work within 35 minutes from there, property prices are rising very fast, there is a community atmosphere, the shops are fine for day to day and there are many shops and facilities within 15 minutes drive in other towns. Most importantly for me, I could be near to my family and we could support each other, and we could afford the type of family home that we need now, without a mortgage!

DH is in lots of debt, as he always lives beyond his means and cannot borrow any more money to help us buy elsewhere. He works really hard and takes extra hours at work, but if we lived mortgage free near my parents, he wouldn't need to do the extra work and could pay his debts. I've put this to him, but he just calls the areas shitholes and refuses. I think he's really childish and extremely selfish.

DH and I are going around in circles, and the family member has told us that we have 6 months maximum to get half of our flat signed over to him and sort out the release of funds. My family are so worried and annoyed that my DH won't listen to me and do what they and I think is the logical, common sense option.

I feel trapped and like I'm going to have no choice but to sign over half of our flat. My DH and I are usually happy, but this is really affecting us, to the point where I've even considered filing for divorce so that I don't have to be forced into doing something I disagree with. I don't think I'd have the balls though, and I don't want it to come to that.

I am absolutely desperate and feel helpless. Please tell me WWYD, and if I am being unreasonable and should just sign. Is my DH selfish?

OP posts:
UnreasonableNotUnreasonable · 12/09/2017 10:50

Thank you so much for all the advice and suggestions since I last posted. I've just read them all, and many things have been suggested that my parents have been saying.

I am going to copy and paste so many of your advice and ideas into a document and try and see how I get on with them all.

OP posts:
HerOtherHalf · 12/09/2017 10:51

You absolutely have to speak to the ill family member. It sounds like he has given the other relative power of attorney and what that person is trying to do to you and your DH is tantamount to fraud. If he is trying this on what other abuses of the POA might he be up to?

ballestief · 12/09/2017 10:52

her DH CAN'T sign over half the property without her agreement if she is on the deeds

Neither can they both together simply sign over half the property. It doesn't work like that.

TheDodgyEnd · 12/09/2017 10:52

"and he just told them he refuses to move."

And again, how are you going to get him to go along with your solutions....?! Here's a clue: he's not going to.

Treborextrastrong38 · 12/09/2017 10:52

Agree with RachelP - to be honest, I think his whole idea is rather academic and you should stop worrying about it (I know that sounds like i'm trivialising it) but I honestly don't think he's got a chance in hell of doing what him / his family member would like to do. You just need to say that you don't agree to it.

I also wonder whether your DH needs financial counselling or similar - he sounds like he can't cope with his finances. Might bring him down a peg or two at the same time Wink

SlothMama · 12/09/2017 10:54

Your H sounds like he wants to live a certain lifestyle but certainly hasn't got the means. He's happy to make life harder for his family just so he has a nice commute, and lives in a postcode he deems to be good.

He sounds so unbelievably selfish, if I were in your position I'd leave him. He clearly couldn't care less about you and won't even consider your opinions. I'd move closer to your parents.

Idontevencareanymore · 12/09/2017 10:55

I think either way you're going to lose your property.
This family member sounds a bully and I imagine would take full advantage and possibly take loans out on your property.

Plus he'd have to be put into the paperwork as an owner?

I'd run so far from this op! No good can come from it. Sell up. Buy what you can afford without taking money from anyone else.

Penfold007 · 12/09/2017 10:56

The situation you describe is beginning to sound like fraud/money laundering. Unwell relative asks 3rd party to make payments from URs money but 3rd party passes the money off as their own and no claims half your property. So in fact 3rdP is getting money out of their country and into the UK. Stinks and I bet DH knows more than he's letting on. Be very very careful.

Butterymuffin · 12/09/2017 10:56

Your 'D'H refuses to do a lot of stuff. Two can play that game. Refuse to agree to the signing over, or indeed to any of his suggestions (you have as much right to do this as he does). Put things in place to make the move to the small house. Do not take any more money from family members - it doesn't work and is only enabling bad habits. You're on your own now. And FFS don't take an interest only mortgage. They only work if you're very disciplined about how you will eventually pay off the balance. Not suitable for you at all.

Isetan · 12/09/2017 11:00

You are not and have never been powerless here. This situation is of you and your H's making and if you want the doormat dynamic to change in your relationship, then you have to stop acting like one.

This is who your H is and handwringing isn't going to change him. It's time to pull up your big girl pants and start acting like a grown up by taking responsibility for the financial decisions made in your name.

Go see a financial advisor and stop agreeing to delegating financial decisions to someone as flaky and clueless as your H.

BlueSuffragette · 12/09/2017 11:03

Do not sign over the flat. Your husband is being very unreasonable and you will end up even worse off if you listen to him as he is financially incompetent. Sell the flat and but that house that doesn't need a mortgage. However will you be expected to pay back the money from the younger relative? They sound out for what they can get so protect yourself and your children by selling up asap.

PatriciaHolm · 12/09/2017 11:03

You're married to someone who doesn't listen to you, doesn't care about your opinion, and cares far more about appearances and his life than whether you are even remotely happy.

That's your biggest problem.

number1wang · 12/09/2017 11:15

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mumtri · 12/09/2017 11:22

Who provided the very large deposit?

butterfly56 · 12/09/2017 11:25

The chances of your DH ever agreeing to any of your suggestions/future plans are almost zero.
Living beyond his means he sees this as his right and his right only.
Your thoughts and feelings don't even enter into the equation.

CoolCarrie · 12/09/2017 11:27

I think the differences in culture are not going to change OP, as this this type of set up can be common and money laundering is a possibility in this case, you were foolish to let this happen. Get out and get your children out, get your own place, without him. You could certainly be left with no roof over your heads!

VinoTime · 12/09/2017 11:28

Divorce him.

Force the sale of the flat.

Move closer to your family with the DC.

Your DH is a prat.

Witsender · 12/09/2017 11:28

What is remotely attractive about this man?

XJerseyGirlX · 12/09/2017 11:29

What Vino said

CoolCarrie · 12/09/2017 11:31

And get over the loving him,OP as it seems he only loves himself first, last and always, and that isn't going to change. LTB ASAP!

PennyMise · 12/09/2017 11:34

You poor thing. Don't be bullied into signing anything. You must be under a lot of strain and could not be easy standing firm against the pressure to comply. Make sure you've got people (friends/family) you can call upon for emotional support. And, while you say you love him, think very carefully about how this behaviour/lack of compromise by your DH will crop up repeatedly in the future and whether you can continue to compromise your and your DCs financial stability at his whims.

TheDodgyEnd · 12/09/2017 11:34

OP now you've had some great input have you thought about what you actually want to do? As in your next move from this point?

Jux · 12/09/2017 11:36

Frankly, this is how your life is going to go on forever unless dh learns to budget/stops expecting everyone else to pick up his tab.

Tell him you're going to buy a house near your parents and move there with the dc, whether he comes or not. He will have to buy you out of the flat so will have to sell it anyway, so you might as well sell and move together. Mean it.

You can force a sale unless he chooses to borrow the money from family to buy you out. You'd probably have to go back to work, but you'd get help from your family for childcare, and he'd have to pay child maintenance.

You might find you have far more money than you do now. You'd also have a more secure future.

OTOH, if he agrees to sell up and move with you, you know he is thinking of your joint future and that of your children, growing up a bit.

diddl · 12/09/2017 11:38

So you can afford a house by selling a flat that someone else has been partly paying for!

Your husband sounds a complete selfish, pompous dick.

How can you love someone who just walks all over you?

TheOldCow · 12/09/2017 11:40

What a tricky situation. Hindsight is a lovely thing but i think you were daft to plan to have kids and be a SAHM based on the fact that someone else would be bailing you out each month. That was always going to be a bad idea. Sad

I certainly wouldn't want to sign over half the flat. It would be an absolute 100% bad idea and I'd never agree to it.

Your plan to move to a cheaper area sounds like a good plan.