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To not want to sign over half of my flat

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UnreasonableNotUnreasonable · 12/09/2017 09:45

I've name changed as I feel this could be very outing.

It's a case of AIBU/WWYD.

DH and I have a large mortgage on a flat, that now with 2 little DC, has become very impractical in terms of access to and from it, and to the shared garden. We are on the top floor and there is no lift. Access to the garden is via a metal, spiral staircase, and the garden is not fenced off, and has an access road running along at the bottom of it, as well as another to one side of the garden. There are therefore moving vehicles nearby, and any members of the public or other residents can just enter the garden. We're also not allowed to leave Prams/pushchairs in the communal areas, which makes things extremely awkward, nor are we even allowed any pets (we have a share in freehold, and the management company do not allow pets).

I didn't want to take on such a large mortgage, but DH is a complete snob who will only live in gentrified areas, and will never commute any further than 30 minutes each way for work, which is in the centre of the city. We had to hurry and get a mortgage after 2 years of failing to get on the property ladder, as our deposit was allowing us to get less and less for our money, so I reluctantly agreed to a large mortgage.

DH is from a different culture to me, and he and his family always said not to worry about the mortgage when we start having children, as for them, helping financially and having children are very important. They are a lot more well off than my family, and I've always been financially independent, but 2 of them said they'd pay half of the mortgage for as many years as I wanted to be a SAHM. They assured us there were no ulterior motives or expectations. I was delighted and grateful, but also quite apprehensive as I'm not used to this set up.

Unfortunately, the person who had been helping financially every month, and who we trusted completely, became ill and unable to help. Family member 2 seamlessly stepped in, and the payments continued. We were extremely grateful, but I have never trusted this person, and my DH also doesn't trust him to some extent. I do not want to say why on here (nothing criminal or untoward though!).

Family member 2 has been paying half of our monthly payments for 2 and a half years. He has now said that he wants to own half of our flat, and this will enable him and my DH to release finance from it in order to buy a cheaper property to rent out. He then said that if not enough money could be released, then the money that could be released could be used to pay into our mortgage to reduce our monthly payments, and then he won't have to give us money every month, or can give us a lot less. To make matters worse, we believe that the money he gives us and pretends it's his money, is actually not his, but money from the person who is now too ill to manage their own finances, as this person signed over responsibilities of his finances to him. If so, then he will own half of our flat without having paid a penny of his own money into it! When we do eventually move from here, he'll take half of all of the money and my DH and I won't be able to afford anything.

He has told us that if we don't agree to sign over half of our flat, he'll stop paying half of the mortgage every month! We would lose our home. I'm a SAHM and a part time student who would have to give up studying for her Degree and very quickly try and get a job. I'd have to pay an extortionate rate for nursery for both DC, and would have hardly any money to put towards the mortgage anyway, and would lose our flat. I don't have any family nearby who can offer free childcare.

My DH thinks we should just agree to this scheme, and we keep arguing about it every day. I've suffered with stress and depression before, and all the crying, worry and arguing is really affecting me. I feel a deep anguish, as there is a very easy way out of this situation, as detailed below:

With the equity we have on our flat, we could sell it and just about afford to buy a small house with a garden - outright. I would do this tomorrow, by DH absolutely, point blank refuses as the house would be in a town that borders my parents' town. He doesn't have a problem with them, but he HATES their area and all of those that surround it. In his words, 'they're full of chavs and people who aren't decent, and there are no good shops and facilities, and those areas have nothing going for them.' I disagree with his terminology and the accuracy of what he's saying. He can get to work within 35 minutes from there, property prices are rising very fast, there is a community atmosphere, the shops are fine for day to day and there are many shops and facilities within 15 minutes drive in other towns. Most importantly for me, I could be near to my family and we could support each other, and we could afford the type of family home that we need now, without a mortgage!

DH is in lots of debt, as he always lives beyond his means and cannot borrow any more money to help us buy elsewhere. He works really hard and takes extra hours at work, but if we lived mortgage free near my parents, he wouldn't need to do the extra work and could pay his debts. I've put this to him, but he just calls the areas shitholes and refuses. I think he's really childish and extremely selfish.

DH and I are going around in circles, and the family member has told us that we have 6 months maximum to get half of our flat signed over to him and sort out the release of funds. My family are so worried and annoyed that my DH won't listen to me and do what they and I think is the logical, common sense option.

I feel trapped and like I'm going to have no choice but to sign over half of our flat. My DH and I are usually happy, but this is really affecting us, to the point where I've even considered filing for divorce so that I don't have to be forced into doing something I disagree with. I don't think I'd have the balls though, and I don't want it to come to that.

I am absolutely desperate and feel helpless. Please tell me WWYD, and if I am being unreasonable and should just sign. Is my DH selfish?

OP posts:
GabsAlot · 12/09/2017 15:35

forgeet the mortgage for a minute

he wont consider moving for the sake of his dc's who havnt got a safe place to play out an is awkward for all of you

what does that say about him-i used to think i woulnt buy in a certain area but when it comes down to it you live within your means

hes never going to put you or your dc first with this attitude think about that

PoorYorick · 12/09/2017 15:35

I'm working on the assumption that vampiric relative won't mind how it's done, new mortgage and all, as long as they ultimately own half the property.

Husband is a dangerous idiot. I can't believe someone who acts like this could be reasonable and kind over everything else!

SisterhoodisPowerful · 12/09/2017 15:36

If you're married this is about more than a mortgage. You are jointly responsible for any debts your DH has. You are being forced into long term poverty by a man who cares only about himself. This situation won't get better. He's made it abundantly clear that the only person who counts in your family is him. You and your children will be much better off financially and emotionally of you end this relationship.

nauticant · 12/09/2017 15:45

Sorry if someone's already suggested this but is there some middle ground, sell the flat but find somewhere in a slightly 'better' area than the one where you could afford to buy outright, get a smaller more manageable mortgage.

The reason why a sensible approach won't work is because OP is married to a complete arse. There's no way he'll agree. From what OP wrote her choice is between sticking with him while he bankrupts them and loses the family home or leaving.

SonicBoomBoom · 12/09/2017 15:47

Honestly OP, I read your post with my head in my hands. How on earth have you allowed yourself to be sleepwalked into this position. Far too passive.

Tell your DH that he can do what he wants, but you will NOT be signing over your half to anyone.

Then, honestly, I'd divorce him, sell the house and move back to where your parents live. And reflect a bit.

BananaShit · 12/09/2017 15:47

Being married doesn't make you jointly responsible for half of the debts of your ex.

It does mean that their debts can impact on you if you own assets jointly, as OP does, because creditors can sometimes have a claim on the debt owing spouse's portion of a joint asset. But that's not a given, and being married makes no difference. It would be the same if they were unmarried cohabitants who owned a flat together.

Agree with the rest though.

PoorYorick · 12/09/2017 15:54

Why exactly is the postcode so important to him?

twattymctwatterson · 12/09/2017 16:54

LTB. Seriously this will be your entire life

Neverenoughspoons · 12/09/2017 17:08

I agree that you can't just sign over part of a property that has a mortgage on it. You. Can however sign a deed of trust or have a second charge registered in some circumstances. So make sure you don't sign anything like that!

MrsBobDylan · 12/09/2017 17:09

Your dh is trying to screw you over financially. He will drag you into homelessness and debt unless a miracle takes place. In your situation I would take the kids and start over.

I'm sorry. It's truely awful for you.Flowers

Whatthefoxgoingon · 12/09/2017 17:09

Mind boggling that a pair of adults would deem it normal to be financially dependent on family members for the very roof over their heads! Shock and using an ill relative's money is utterly despicable. Shame on you both!

Grow the hell up and manage your own finances. Dump the useless cunt of a husband if that's the only way you can do this.

imjessie · 12/09/2017 17:12

This seems to be fairly normal in some cultures . Some neighbours have their mortgage paid for them while neither of them work . It seems to be a culture thing as my mum ( wealthy as she is ) won't give me a penny and nor do I expect it . I'm happy to know that what I've paid for is mine and no one else's . What a pickle !!!

Gazelda · 12/09/2017 17:37

Putting aside all the mortgage/half ownership/interfering relative/impractical flat/snob DH, there's just no way I could love someone who accepts monthly large lump sums from a source they strongly suspect to be a very ill much loved relative, while simultaneously racking up further debts.

Iwanttobe8stoneagain · 12/09/2017 17:51

In the kindest way you too are living beyond your means being a sahm. You have no choice but to get a job and pay the mortgage yourselves. Never let yourselves be financially reliant on others again. Tell your DH the flat needs to be sold and you wil be moving to somewhere you can afford. If he puts his snobbery over the security of his family ltb

Hortonlovesahoo · 12/09/2017 18:05

OP: it sounds like your parents know what sort of Man your DH is and what could happen.

I echo what others have said and get legal advice and get your DH to come back down to earth and sort out his finances.

NoFucksImAQueen · 12/09/2017 19:35

You say your DH is in loads of debt but actually he's your husband? So it's your debt too. He is dragging you down with all his debt and his refusal to live like an adult

OverOn · 12/09/2017 19:36

Your DH isn't just being a snob. He's not thinking at all of what is best for your DC. It's an extra 10min commute for him a day vs your DC having a stable home and a safe garden to play out in, and you having family childcare close by. I don't know how he can't see that the best option for you all as a family is to move somewhere secure.

amicissimma · 12/09/2017 20:28

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PoorYorick · 12/09/2017 21:41

Mean with money, mean with love.

And in his way, your husband is actually very, very mean with money in the sense that he will not use it for anyone's benefit but his own...no matter what the detriment to his family.

RaincloudOfDoom · 12/09/2017 22:37

As people like to say here what you have is a DH problem. It's his snobbery and over-spending that has landed you in this situation. And now he'd rather be practically blackmailed into giving up half an impractical flat than live somewhere less exclusive? Tell your DH to grow up. Or leave him and move back in with family while you finish your degree.

TheDodgyEnd · 12/09/2017 23:09

OP's not coming back.

SonicBoomBoom · 13/09/2017 03:27

Perhaps as a compromise you could suggest to your DP he signs over his half of the flat to his dodgy family member. Since he's in debt anyway and can't borrow any more money. Wonder if he'll be as keen then.

SonicBoomBoom · 13/09/2017 03:28

Perhaps as a compromise you could suggest to your DP he signs over his half of the flat to his dodgy family member. Since he's in debt anyway and can't borrow any more money. Wonder if he'll be as keen then.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 13/09/2017 03:36

You say your DH is in loads of debt but actually he's your husband? So it's your debt too

No it isn't. I wish posters would stop saying this.

The OP is only responsible for debts that are in her name also.

They can't chase her for debts that aren't in her name!

HeebieJeebies456 · 13/09/2017 04:00

Well, you've been incredibly stupid and naive haven't you?
You've only got yourself to blame for the predicament you in - YOU enabled him all along...and you're still doing it.

Why do you allow yourself to be treated with such disrespect and like a victim?
You are NOT powerless, you never were. You CHOSE to hand it over to him on a silver platter.
YOU refused to stand your ground and treat yourself with respect.
YOU put yourself in this dependent and financially insecure position.

From the way you it's like you've resigned yourself to being the 'little woman' who has no voice and no mind or will of her own Hmm

SNAP OUT OF IT!

You've enjoyed your privileged lifestyle at someone elses expense - and by now you should have realised there is no such thing as a free lunch.....or a man you can trust 100% to always put your wellbeing first.

Your husband is an immature, spoilt, entitled, selfish, self centred, self obsessed and narcissistic wanker.
More fool you if you don't take back your power and you keep letting him make all the decisions for you and your children.

The best thing you could do is divorce him and take the financial security for your kids - because he will NEVER care about their wellbeing like a decent father would.

Go and get independent legal advice WITHOUT him being there.