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Should I tell my step mum she's a twat?

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Mrsknackered · 08/09/2017 12:14

I used to live at my dads for a couple of years when my first was born whilst my partner finished up University. We were going to live there until DS was going to primary. This changed when Dad got a new girlfriend who told Dad that she wanted me and DS out. I did leave, as I wanted him to be happy and didn't really realise there was an issue - she's younger than him and childless and although I was hurt and very broke I didn't mind.
3 years later completely different situation, we have moved hundreds of miles away (where we can afford) and obviously don't see family as much now. I still try to keep in contact with my Dad but he doesn't visit/isn't available when we come down to visit/doesn't call, etc. He randomly phoned me one day, explaining that he was finding it hard with GF because she wanted an apology from me. Apparently before I moved out there was an occassion where I was rude to my dad in front of her and she found it very disrespectful and would like an apology. I was completely dumbfounded by it and he explained the story - he knows I was joking but she didn't find it funny and thought I shouldn't speak to him like that in front of her. I said I wouldn't apologise as it was ludicrous and I was hurt that that was why they had been so distant.
I am not biologically my dad's daughter but it has never been an issue and have always known he loved me the same as my siblings. He has told me that she doesn't think this is right, or as he put it 'she finds it hard to understand the family set up'
They had a baby 5 months ago and despite me visiting where they live 3 times since then for a number of days, I have not been able to meet baby. DS1 loves his grandad and also is upset that he has not met grandads baby.
We have seen my dad but she doesn't allow him to take the baby to meet us or for us to come round. I've offered to leave DS2 with partner and pop round with just DS1 and I for 10 minutes with nothing.
I've spoken to my dad about how sad it makes me that I have nothing to do with my sister and all he says is 'time is a great healer' or 'it will all work out' but tbh, it's been years already and I don't think he's very upfront with her about her actions. Should I contact her directly? I'd really like to know my youngest sibling and be able to contact my dad without worrying that it will cause an argument between them :(

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FlowerPot1234 · 08/09/2017 14:31

I'd like to offer a different possibility, as a SM who has been accused of similar things.

My OH has been uncomfortable for years with the way one of his kids treats him like the bank of england and mismanages their money. Long before he met me. He has tried to get them to change their behaviour, to no avail. I come along and offer an objective view, and support. My interests are to support my partner and with that comes support for his kids. He has been getting stricter on the money front and getting this kid to wait until he can afford things before he spends all his money on stuff he wants. At times this has been uncomfortable for the son, but he has got a part-time job and is behaving more responsibly, and has thanked his Dad for pulling in the reigns. He could point to me and say "nasty SM, you're changing the way my Dad behaves towards me and making my life more difficult", and he would be right in a way and in the very short term, but he has not. He has thanked us both and has even followed some tips I gave him about saving, putting it into action, and all is good.

Another son's behaviour has been goddam awful to both of us and his siblings. He has been rude and his Dad has told him off, as he's always done, nothing to do with me. He excelled himself in his rudeness recently and spoke to his Dad and me in a way that left us reeling. We have heard he has said some further awful things about us to various people in our circle, conveniently missing out mentioning his actions and also making up things about us and pretending they are true. Where are we now? I want this son to apologise to both of us, something he has failed to do for two months. I want this son to stop continuing to hurt his Dad and stop lying about us. I want this not because I am a nasty SM from hell, not because I am a selfish SM, but because I want the best for those around me. He has chosen to create a story around his Dad and I which makes him look like some persecuted son losing out to a nasty SM. I promise you when I say with complete honesty, he could not be further from the truth, and how devastated I am at hearing the stories and lies he has been spreading to make his own position look faultless and a victim.

I would find it very difficult if not impossible to be friendly with this son until he apologises. The damage he does to everyone, including himself, by his behaviour is so great that it has to stop.

What I would say to you OP, is that I read your post and wonder what it is like from the SM's position, and I'd like to hear her side before I would make any judgment.

What I would also say, is if you want the family closeness so much, why don't you contact the SM directly and ask for a talk. If apologising is too much to think about right now, that's fine, but open up the lines of communication. Extend a hand. See where the conversation goes. You might see that she is where I am standing, and you might feel like an apology is needed, and you feel good giving it, and that's fine. You might see that she's a bitter selfish woman who has some agenda that does not include you and most certainly feel you don't wish to apologise at all, but you know you have tried. And that's fine too.

Just reach out, for everyone's sake.

DeadGood · 08/09/2017 14:32

I am so sorry that people like this exist, OP. Your stepmother is just awful (but I agree, don't say anything to her, it will make things worse for you). But your father is the real disappointment here.

Absolutely unbelievable that he even mentioned the 'apology' issue to you. He should have laughed her out of the room.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/09/2017 14:35

Bananas seems to be assuming a lot that the rest of us aren't seeing, possibly because she says she is a stepmother too so is perhaps identifying with the OP's SM.

I don't think it's odd at all that the OP was living with her dad after having her son. She says they were living there by agreement while her partner finished university. That suggests to me that OP was late teens/early 20s at the time and had probably never left the family home, or maybe had but not for very long. If my son or daughter was in that position I would definitely want to help out by having them live with us, if that's what they wanted. OP doesn't actually say she wasn't paying rent, but even if she was paying rent presumably it was a big help to have her dad on tap to babysit or change the occasional nappy.

OP not being her dad's biological child is a red herring which the SM has seized on as an excuse for sidelining her from her father's life. The SM sounds extremely insecure.

I suspect the father will come to regret this but it will be difficult to rebuild relationships after this.

How is SM getting on with your other siblings, OP?

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/09/2017 14:43

I'd also go for the fake apology. IE You are mortified that an innocent comment said in jest could be interpreted as disrespect for your father, whom you love very much. You are very sorry that it has caused such discomfort in the family. You hope that you can all put this behind you and come together as a loving and caring family.

The more you dig your heels in, the less you'll get what you want. Then if you decide to walk away, it will be on your terms and because you have made a decision that you won't be treated like this. It goes without saying that she is totally unreasonable. She really is a piece of work to use an innocuous comment to control your father.

PolkaDotty7 · 08/09/2017 14:49

Your Dad is an absolute twit and has let you down. Your step mother sounds awful, too. So sorry Flowers I know what it's like when your Dad chooses a new woman over you... it's the worst feeling in the world.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 08/09/2017 14:51

Yabu to call your father's partner your Step mum, that is just so weird imo a mother mothers and you are an adult. I wonder if that is part of her problem especially as you are not actually biologically his daughter.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/09/2017 14:54

Of course she's her stepmother! Her father may or may not be married to this woman but she has become a permanent fixture in her father's life because they live together and have a child together. What else would the OP call her? Her dad is her dad and the woman is her dad's partner. That's what a stepmother is.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 08/09/2017 14:54

its not just the moving out its the behavior since-she doesnt get the family setup? it none of her business

Well it is if the OP refers to her as her step mother

Increasinglymiddleaged · 08/09/2017 14:55

No it isn't Gasp that is nonsense. My mother is dead I will never ever have a step mother. I am an adult.

SerfTerf · 08/09/2017 14:57

You'll have a stepmother if your father remarries inc. That's just genealogy. You don't have to embrace her.

Whensmokeysings · 08/09/2017 14:57

I would never refer to my 'fathers' partner as a step mother either. I wouldn't give either of them that much respect. I had a mother, she's dead.

sparklediamonds · 08/09/2017 14:57

My dad wasn't married but I said stepmother just for ease of phrase - rolls off the tongue easier than "my dad's partner."

SerfTerf · 08/09/2017 14:59

(My eldest has a stepmother he's never met. It's not a term of endearment, its fact.)

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/09/2017 14:59

It isn't nonsense, increasingly. It is the normal English meaning of the word. Oxford English Dictionary: A woman who is the wife or partner of one's father after the divorce or separation of one's parents or the death of one's mother.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 08/09/2017 14:59

No I won't Serf, my father will have a wife and I hope I will have a new friend. I would never ever refer to her as a step mother. It is in my opinion a very odd thing to do.

My best friend's mum died when she was 21, her father has had a new partner for many years. She has never ever been or tried to be a stepmother.

sparklediamonds · 08/09/2017 15:00

It really isn't odd, Increasingly

I am sure the OP hasn't been referring to her to her face as "Stepmother."

SerfTerf · 08/09/2017 15:00

Well how you refer to her (how you feel about her) and what she is in law are two separate things.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 08/09/2017 15:01

It is nonsense, in so far as it is a really weird thing to refer to someone if the person is an adult. If I was the OP's father's partner I would find it odd.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/09/2017 15:02

Stepmother (or stepfather, stepsister, stepbrother) = a word that describes the relationship between two people. It doesn't imply anything at all about being a substitute mother, taking on a nurturing role or anything like that.

FlowerPot1234 · 08/09/2017 15:02

OP, it might help if you tell us what your father says was the comment you made all those years ago and what objection your SM has told your father she has about it.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 08/09/2017 15:03

well how you refer to her (how you feel about her) and what she is in law are two separate things.

In law she would be nothing to me at all as I am separate entity to my father. There is a difference between language convention and law.

PassiveAgressiveQueen · 08/09/2017 15:04

She is being abusive and controlling, she is trying to break his ties with his family. The advice for friends/relatives of people in controlling abusive relationships is to keep lines of communication open at all costs. Make a stupid apology your dad is more important.

This is the advice if this was someone controlling your mum, she wouldn't be called wet, of "being under her thumb", showing "who's side she is on"

SerfTerf · 08/09/2017 15:05

In law she would be nothing to me at all as I am separate entity to my father. There is a difference between language convention and law.

So you don't have relationships with anybody then? You're an island?

Look I get the emotional aspect. I'm 100% estranged from my parents, but I don't see how I can deny the fact that they ARE my parents (unfortunately).

flippinada · 08/09/2017 15:05

Mrs sorry to read about this, I do feel for you. I also have a spineless, weak willed father and an awful stepmother. It's very sad that it happens but not that unusual, unfortunately and I understand how hurtful it is.

What happens next depends on whether you want to maintain contact with your Dad or not. If you have a go at this woman, you'll be playing into her hands.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/09/2017 15:08

One of the reasons the relationship has a name is because legally there are ramifications when a person remarries (or takes a new partner without marrying, but that's less clear cut). The stepparent would have rights if the relationship ends in divorce and if there isn't a new will would inherit a large chunk of their spouse's estate. In a family where nobody has two ha'pennies to rub together this might never be an issue but there are plenty of threads on this site describing all sorts of family disputes and upsets over money where one of the issues is a stepparent ending up inheriting instead of the deceased's children.