Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

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Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

@ittooshallpass I presume you went to school yourself? I presume you were aware of school term times and the fact that teachers have an entitlement to professional development (INSET / CPD?) I presume you knew that schools have long holidays? All of this I presume you knew before you chose to have children?

I will say it again, really, really clearly: schools do not exist to give you free childcare. That's your responsibility as a working parent. I do not simply carry out my job in order to allow you to do yours.

hugeppfan unfortunately what you quoted was a proposal back in 2008/9 and is not factual. Teachers do not get paid 28 days holiday.

We actually did op, went in on the last Friday, then kids in and ready to start work on Monday.

I also don't understand why we don't just say term starts on X. Although, our inset was on Friday (last year thurs and Friday) so the kids started on Monday. I'm guessing there is some kind of reason, just don't know what...

I'm a teacher and I get 35 days a year paid leave. A recent thread on here showed me that's not an unusual number of days in other jobs.

The other days are unpaid. The school is closed then. Fucked if I'm working for no pay.

The children get 190 days at school, same as always.

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The point of school is to edcuate children, not be childcare. Yes, it's great when kids get to school age so don't need thr same private childcare, but schools aren't there to provide childcare for working parents when it suits.

One school near me now has a long school day (something like 8:30-5) with compulsory after school clubs etc built in. Cynics locally know they are doing that to appeal to the 'oooh free childcare' parents. Staff have to be on site, it takes them well over directed time before they even get to their own prep and they don't get paid more.

A day in June or November would be much easier to cover -

Not so good for me if I have been teaching 'Johnny' 7 or 8 months already without the training I need on his medical condition or learning disability. Having the training before I meet him is essential for his well-being. Not your childcare arrangements.

Why are you so keen for your kids to start on a Monday? Wednesday or Thursday start gives the kids chance to settle in, get back into a routine and not get too exhausted. It's a good thing!

Winebomb and dressjunkie, do you actually want your kids in school 48 weeks a year or is it just that you can't bear teachers having holidays so you want them in work when the children aren't there?

And secondly, do you begrudge all other professions their perks or just teaching? Does it get you all outraged when people get international travel for example, or other benefits from their jobs that you don't get?

Yes, teachers get a lot of holiday. The trade-off is that it's totally inflexible so they can't decide to take their own children in for their first day at school, they miss nativity plays and sports days and so on. You might still feel that's a better deal than you get, to which I invite you to train as a teacher.

There is a recruitment crisis in teaching. I don't want my children's edition suffer because there aren't enough teachers. If you make the terms and conditions even less attractive, what damage will be wrought upon schools and our children? Cut teachers' holidays and see what tatters the system is left in.

Op, you get 24 days holiday a year... paid, well done.

Teachers are paid for the hours they are contracted for only. 1256 hours a year. Spread over 40 weeks... you that's it.

We are paid to work just 32 hours a week. We do much more than that.

We aren't paid for our holidays.. we get our pay in 12 monthly installments for convenience..

So if you were in a similar contract to ours, would you be happy using your unpaid holidays to go in for training? I doubt it very much.

If you are going to rant about teachers.. at least do some research into what you are ranting about..

Some people. .

Children get 190 days of education
Teachers are contracted for 195 days

Don't worry, because when the entire state education system collapses and we are all academies, you'll find that every individual school can do what it wants and it will be sodding chaos

Neither would mine Euphemia. From what i've heard unions don't really exist there and I have a feeling from a friend who almost applied there that as a MAT they've made use of their righy to ignore burgandy book things.

CaptainBrickbeard I think they might be on thr wind up.
My usual challenge to that kind of thing: there's a shortage, come and join us. It's easy money, long holidays, work 9-3. Etc. Oh right, don't fancy it? Why not?

Pengggwn
Yes. I suppose that's more like what I mean.

You're right. The majority of people who do the 'easy life' lines wouldn't last long at all. They may get through onto an ITT programme in shortage areas but I'd be surpriaed if they made it through an NQT programme.

Why is it that people have absolutely no respect for teachers?

Is it envy?

Do they think they can do a better job?

This is attitude prevelant among politicians too which explains a lot.

If you want your child to have a decent education, have some bloody respect. Your job is not better or harder than that of a teacher. It is different.

Teachers are not childcare providers. They are educators. And they have been and continue to be trained as such.

If I ruled the world, teachers would be paid a hell of a lot more. It's disgusting how the profession has been dragged down. I worry for my children because this attitude has a profound impact of the morale of those who teach them.

I speak as someone who is an accountant, who works longer hours and gets shorter holidays. But I'm paid a hell of a lot more, I have more flexibility about my holiday and I don't have the threat of regulation in quite the same way.

" Yesterday 22:38Janeismymiddlename

There is no holiday pay."

So some schools/areas do get paid holidays and some don't? That's crap

Well all I know is I am on a paid holiday tomorrow because it's my child's first day at school.

How nice for you. I missed my child's first morning at school, and all his sports days, assemblies and most Christmas performances. Busy teaching, you see.

How nice for you. I missed my child's first morning at school, and all his sports days, assemblies and most Christmas performances. Busy teaching, you see

^^this a million times. It is one of the reasons I couldn't be a teacher. Imagine not being able to come to those things!

I use my annual leave to attend school things and take the kids to school for their first day of term. Funnily enough, I haven't devolved responsibility for my children when they get to school and accept I have to give up annual leave every now and then.

How nice for you. I missed my child's first morning at school, and all his sports days, assemblies and most Christmas performances. Busy teaching, you see

^^this a million times. It is one of the reasons I couldn't be a teacher. Imagine not being able to come to those things!

I use my annual leave to attend school things and take the kids to school for their first day of term. Funnily enough, I haven't devolved responsibility for my children when they get to school and accept I have to give up annual leave every now and then.