Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

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Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

Dressjunkie your desperate backpeddling is making you look worse! Give your head a wobble.

Backpeddling where?

What any adult does during their work day is absolutely none of your concern. They are not in charge of your child, a vehicle or heavy machinery. If the HT is ok with it, then that is all that matters and who they answer to. I have had many jobs, factory, office, warehouse packing, restaurant..... in all pub lunches have occurred and we've gone back to work. Have heard of many big professions doing the same. And my pal who is a teacher and has done this on an inset - all training had been completed, so they called it a day, long lunch then they went back and prepped the classroom. Most went home 'early' at 7ish.

But do carry on and tut and judge...

Today 22:41 dressjunkie66

Family inset day not a joke, that's how it was stated on school website.
Other posters correct me I may be wrong but I'm 99% sure this will be a family of schools inset i.e. Different t schools in the family of schools coming together! Not a day they put aside for you to go on a family picnic together!

Dress you are so determinedly outragedits hysterical!

I am a parent and a Governor.

I attended staff training today and was impressed by a comprehensive and well planned day and the matters covered and the dedication and input from staff.

There was not a wasted minute and directly linked to supporting students. Our children.

Most offices I have worked in, the first day back after even just a week or two's leave, you spend the first few hours checking email, talking about your holiday, catching up on any gossip...

Thank you to all of you who are teachers.

so Teachers can "decide" to finish the "schoolday" early in order to go to the pub?
Most workplaces finish at the normal/usual end of day at the start of the holidays. Why do teachers see the need to end the "schoolday" at lunchtime so they can go to the pub? All a bit juvenile don't you think?

I am not a teacher.
I am not married to a teacher.
I know a few teachers and one head teacher. I work in law enforcement. I have my life threatened and shit (literally) thrown at me on a regular basis. I wouldn't swap jobs with a teacher for twice their holiday.!

Winebomb your problem is that you are comparing teaching to a 'for profit' business. It's not. It's far far more important and yes, sorry but a lot more of an 'honourable ' career than financial management. What ever way you spin it your job does not compare to being a teacher. They deserve every single day they get as holiday although I am more than aware that many are still prepping in this time.

Zzzz so 'public schools have a regular working day..' ??? You may be surprised to know that the average state school child is in school from 9-3:45 and then comes home and does 2/3hrs homework. Long enough for you. Personally I think far too much.

Winebomb. Your child will be fine. As long as you don't make issues. Along with all the other kids in the world they're teachers weren't 'in touch 'with them over their holidays .

Dressjunkie did you have meanteachers at school I think you have issues

Now you really ARE being a goady fucker, dressjunkie.

I'm done.

Explain why the rest of the population need to know when your training days are?

Well, that was actually my point. They don't. So butt out.

@dressjunkie66 listen carefully. Inset days are a prescribed (by the government) length. Some schools may begin earlier than the normal school day and hence finish earlier to allow staff to work on in their classrooms or even, heaven forfend, enjoy a lunch together. What the actual fuck has it got to do with you anyway how these days are organised? You're really annoying me now with your nitpicking and being goady.

You know nothing about education evidently as your posts are now showing. Away to your bed and stop being deliberately annoying. I've been polite long enough and you're now coming across as a bit of a desperate arse with your silly arguments. Grow up and give teachers a bit of respect for their profession. I don't come to your work and tell you how to sweep up.

No all my teachers were lovely, but I don't remember any of them needing extra training days....they all passed their PGCEs at uni so pretty much knew what they were doing when it came to the actual job.

Sorry, that should have said "training days".

MSLehrerin
Yes! This 100% incredibly rude and uniformed! I'm still chucking at family inset and teaching the kids who weren't there with a fuzzy head!

@dressjunkie66 yes. No additional training is needed ever for teachers. We are stuck in the 1950s and no advances shall ever be made. Nor shall we need info on pupils with ASNs etc or safeguarding training or a million and one other things we need to learn about to deliver a quality service that kids deserve. Ffs...

You don't remember them. Reading trains days because you were a kid on holiday. Do you think your mum would have said hols finished now dear we are in inset!

Needing training

Sure, you pass an education degree in college and after that no learning is needed. It's not like educational research, the curriculum, or teaching strategies (or fads!) can be developed, after all

Just imagine the complaints if teachers never updated their strategies and stayed stuck in 1987. And they'd probably be right, too!

I reckon at least 20 quids gone in some of it's been priceless!

I haven't read the full thread. But my issue with adding inset days into the end of school holidays is that it makes it really really hard for working parents.

There are no holiday clubs open on inset days so parents have to take time off work. At the end of 6 weeks of juggling and expense (of clubs) it feels like a slap in the face.

I completely agree that teachers deserve their holidays and need training days, but it would be so much easier if the inset days were taken at other times during the school year.

A day in June or November would be much easier to cover - it's really hard to get ANOTHER day off work so close to school holidays. It would be so much easier (and a better way to spread out precious days off work) if inset days weren't just tagged onto holidays.

Teachers ARE paid for holidays. But not all of the days in the school holidays!

Teachers are contracted to work with pupils 190 days plus 5 days for training etc. Holiday pay is the statutory minimum of 28 days. So salaries are made up of 190+5+28: 223 days pay divided by 12 months to give equal payments over the year.

This shows how pay for a short term teacher would be calculated and clearly illustrates that teachers' holiday pay is for 28 days only.
"The total number of days worked per annum plus holidays is taken to be 195 + 28 = 223. This means that the pay for 195 days must be recalculated as 195/223 for days worked and 28/223 for holidays. Therefore, under the new calculations a teacher earning £27,939 per annum would be paid £24,430.96 for worked days and £3,508.04 for holidays. This produces a daily rate of £125.29 (£24.430.96 divided by 195) for days worked and £17.99 (£3,508.04 divided by 195) as holiday pay. The total pay for a day worked under the new calculations is £143.28 (£122.29 plus £17.99), which is exactly the same as the current daily rate (£27,939 divided by 195 = £143.28)." webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/tna/+/teachernet.gov.uk/_doc/14183/Calculating%20holiday%20pay%20for%20short%20notice%20teachers%20-%20teachernet.doc

Unlike in most other jobs, teachers do not accrue ANY annual leave because they are only entitled to 28 days and this is just rolled over into the next school year (no additional payment is made either). See: www.atl.org.uk/images/adv48-maternity-leave-and-pay-aug-14.pdf this document also states the 28 days entitlement.