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Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

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daffodil10 · 04/09/2017 21:33

Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

OP posts:
thatdearoctopus · 04/09/2017 22:40

A high salary??? Are you on glue?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 04/09/2017 22:40

Oh plopsy

I agree with orlantinas post of 22:34

YorkieDorkie · 04/09/2017 22:40

Christ on a bike. Night all x

BoneyBackJefferson · 04/09/2017 22:40

ElizabethG81

Paid in, not for the holidays.

the way it works is

Blah blah blah
Blah blah blah.

ASauvingnonADay · 04/09/2017 22:41

I can't think of another profession which is criticised as widely and openly as teachers? That's why it gets people's backs up.

dressjunkie66 · 04/09/2017 22:41

Family inset day not a joke, that's how it was stated on school website, and why don't/can't money be put aside each month to cover holiday pay? A large number of people working in other areas have to do this.

TheFallenMadonna · 04/09/2017 22:41

I am not a project manager, and therefore would not tell you how to do your job more efficiently. Perhaps you could extend the same courtesy?

MSLehrerin · 04/09/2017 22:42

@Winebomb you don't get it. We get that now. Just leave it eh? It's like having my bottom set year 9s last thing on a Friday....

Winebomb · 04/09/2017 22:42

Well all I know is I am on a paid holiday tomorrow because it's my child's first day at school.

I have had zero engagement from his teacher since June/July, and neither has he.

She will be surprised when he doesn't want to go into the class tomorrow because he is scared (I have taken him to the school fair (teacher phoned in sick) and just to look around the grounds to get him used to the place.

Wish me luck (and his teacher!)

treaclesoda · 04/09/2017 22:42

A high salary??? Are you on glue?

In some parts of the country teachers do earn a high salary compared to other people. Obviously not in London or the south east but where I live a teacher would be classed as being well paid. Which is fine with me, they deserve to be.

TheFallenMadonna · 04/09/2017 22:43

With the references to 190 days, are you suggesting we don't work on Inset days?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 04/09/2017 22:43

Oh bless him

Hope it goes well wine

orlantina · 04/09/2017 22:44

I agree with orlantinas post of 22:34

I think I sat down and worked out the hours I did once.

Would people prefer a job with reasonable hours, rare evening work, little weekend work and 28 days leave plus bank holidays

OR

A job with normal teaching hours, lots of evening work, early starts, weekend work and 13 weeks holiday a year - but you'll probably spend 1/3 of that holiday doing work?

applesauce1 · 04/09/2017 22:44

I have a few thoughts on this:

  1. Do those complaining about the length of holidays wish their children to be in school more so that they can a. Spend more time learning, or b. Want a solution to their childcare needs?
  1. Why does this come up every year? There are 190 teaching days for all children and 195 working days for teachers. Of course, in order to actually deliver this job, it is far more than 195, but surely after the hundredth post about this, you all realise that your children are NOT missing out on teaching days while teachers swan about having a jolly lovely time doing training?
  1. I love teaching. It fulfils me enormously; however, I would not and could not manage to do this job without the perks of the breaks. If we had the standard amount of days off, I'd walk back into Marketing and enjoy the £20,000 pay rise. Far less stress and people don't feel they have the right to make snide remarks about those private sector jobs. Besides, the children NEED those breaks to recover. They are exhausted at the end of each term.
starsorwater · 04/09/2017 22:44

DH is a teacher. He has spent most of the last few weeks planning the sixth form , liaising with staff and students (and parents), writing work sheets and exam papers, rejigging overstretched resources to cope with curriculum changes, and removing all the wads of chewing gum stuck under his classroom tables (3 rooms actually). He took one week out of school. He was in at 7am for A levels and GCSE results. You don't know what you are talking about OP!

TheHamptons · 04/09/2017 22:45

Winebomb its his first day at school.
Ffs don't begrudge a day's paid holiday for that.

What precisely were you expecting school to tell you? Was there not an induction day with activities?

orlantina · 04/09/2017 22:45

I have had zero engagement from his teacher since June/July, and neither has he

So I'll ask again. What do you think teachers do during holiday time?

randomer · 04/09/2017 22:45

The holidays are crazy. All because kids were needed to help with harvesting. It doesn't help anyone.

MrsCK · 04/09/2017 22:46

Flipping hate these posts. I don't even know why I'm trying to explain it as some people just seem adamant that teachers get paid too much and have too much holiday.

As a teacher you get paid for 195 days of work. 1265 hours. Inset days have been taken out of non teaching days...kids still are in school for the same amount of days as they ever were.

When I had a different job I was employed for 39 hours per week with 30 days of holiday which was also paid.

Teachers do not get paid holiday
Teachers cannot accrue holiday and take it when they want, adding it onto mat leave et.
Teachers work more than the directed 1265 hours but only get paid for those hours.
Inset days have been taken out of non teaching days. Your kids still get the same amount of days in school as they've always had.

Stop moaning about stuff you clearly don't understand!

Barbie222 · 04/09/2017 22:46

dressjunkie that's good advice for the pp complaining that schools weren't open as often as her private nursery.

KittyVonCatsington · 04/09/2017 22:47

You make some good points zzzz but there is a reason for this:

I don't understand WHY it always dissolves into an angry comparison between "teaching" and "other jobs". I really don't get the endless hissing of "well if you think that why don't you do it"???!!! It's a job with good bits and bad bits. It isn't the only job where people critisize or even abuse you. It isn't the only job with long hours. It most certainly isn't the only job where people feel undervalued, exhausted and strung out.

The cast majority of people think teachers/schools do a good job, but this angry defensiveness doesn't help.

I haven't always been a teacher. In my past jobs, I have been criticised by clients or customers during the working day. Moaned about it with my colleagues. But when I 'clocked' off, I was able to leave that behind me and relax.

When I was out for dinner with friends or go to parties and got asked what I did, no one took the piss out of those jobs or told me how easy I must have it. No one told me how they would do my job better than me. I didn't have to go onto forums and see people start posts attacking that job. Or read newspaper articles belittling what I did on a weekly basis.

You see, in other jobs, people don't have to defend themselves quite so much as a teacher does.

Yes, NHS staff or social workers or shift staff etc. also have it tough but not everyone has needed a social worker or has needed healthcare in a long time and therefore, they don't get critiqued as often. They just don't. You count up as many threads attacking each profession on here and teaching will always come out too.

When you see posts daily, attacking your job or when people to your face tell you how easy you have it, you tend to get defensive!

Threads like these don't help.

Anyway, I'd say I'm off to bed now but I just need to finish working on my subject's new NEA that only got released last Friday and I am starting my with my pupils tomorrow.

kittymamma · 04/09/2017 22:48

It wouldn't be September without THIS thread....

TheFallenMadonna · 04/09/2017 22:49

Again, because it's important thst this is clear for non teachers, we are paid for 1265 directed hours, plus as many extra hours as it takes to fulfil our professional responsibilities. On which we are appraised like everybody else.

Winebomb · 04/09/2017 22:49

@orpantina I don't know, because that's a long time to not speak to anyone, and even longer on small children's development. They change so much by the eek.

Let alone months.

thatdearoctopus · 04/09/2017 22:49

I have had zero engagement from his teacher since June/July, and neither has he.

What "engagement" were you expecting when the school was officially closed for the summer?
And do you have some sort of problem with the teacher having been ill and therefore unable to attend an out-of-hours (aka unpaid) PTA event?

And many teachers with small children of their own starting school this week, will be unable to take leave to take them in.

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