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In the dim corner, we have Trump! In the dictator corner, we have Kim! Or is that mixed up?

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TheClaws · 04/09/2017 08:30

....aand we're expecting a dirty, unfair fight.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 05:30

That's not good claws

www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/world/german-politicians-party-suffered-russian-cyberattacks-article-1.3468560

German politician says party suffered Russian cyberattacks

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 05:31

Josh Dawsey
Josh Dawsey @jdawsey1
No DACA announcement tomorrow for president, per his schedule. Appears AG Jeff Sessions, foe of program, is doing the announcement instead.

[he's also not taking questions afterwards. Such leadership and transparency!]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 05:45

amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/05/west-failing-to-tackle-russian-hacking-and-fake-news-says-latvia

West failing to tackle Russian hacking and fake news, says Latvia

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 05:53

Spicers found a new job

www.politico.com/story/2017/09/05/sean-spicer-new-job-242309

Spicer lands post-White House gig
President Donald Trump’s former press secretary will go on the paid speaking circuit.

“Audiences around the world will benefit from the same candor, wit and insight that Spicer brought to the White House briefing room,” Worldwide Speakers Group writes about Spicer in its pitch to potential customers, an early copy of which was reviewed by POLITICO.

Anniegetyourgun · 05/09/2017 06:50

Sounds like whoever wrote that pitch was confused by the SNL impersonation. Or just, you know, bringing the same level of candour and insight...

Roussette · 05/09/2017 06:52

Thanks for all the links and info folks.

This DACA program, it sounds inhuman to be ending this. Trump appears to be going back on his word? Is this just an exercise in willy waving, it's almost like he enjoys playing with people and their lives.

edition.cnn.com/2017/09/04/politics/javier-palomarez-daca-hispanic-chamber-of-commerce/index.html

Mark Zuckerberg sums it up. It all seems so heartless and cruel but Trump enjoys rounding people up doesn't he...

What is so sad is, they've abided by the rules all these years, they faithfully renew their application every 2 years, they haven't gone underground. I read that more than 10,000 students would lose their teachers if they're thrown out. How awful to be living with this uncertainty and the trouble is it's the 'O' word and of course Trump is dismantling everything connected with his predecessor.

In the dim corner, we have Trump! In the dictator corner, we have Kim! Or is that mixed up?
orlantina · 05/09/2017 07:05

it's almost like he enjoys playing with people and their lives

The ultimate display of power over people and their lives. A psychiatrist could have a field day with him.

Roussette · 05/09/2017 07:28

Oh yes. He does it because he can. I And considers himself as 'Emperor' status. You only have to look at the Donald section of Reddit and on FB and see his followers calling him God Emperor Trump. I don't think he gets that he's serving the people.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 07:46

ANd why would he when being self-serving has got him elected. Hasn't released taxes, divested from businesses, has shown incredible nepotism, engineered tax cuts fr that wealthy etc and still his base lap it up

lettuceWrap · 05/09/2017 08:03

Canadianjohn

We have no gold- but quite a lot of silver (solid, coinage and other small collectibles), most of the value of those in in the silver itself and not the object. After reading The Mandibles, I did wonder if these might be as good as gold (less valuable obviously) to have around.

We have enough land to grow food (not a huge amount, 1/2 acre), could keep chickens and rabbits for meat and sale (can be kept in very small spaces), have guns -that's unusual for the uk, air-rifles but powerful enough to shoot rabbits and dare I say it, deter people if everything went to hell.
I worry that we are too close to a city (only a few miles)!

But it's unlikely to completely go to hell (I hope).

lettuceWrap · 05/09/2017 08:10

I thought Trump had already said DACA is being suspended? Surely his intent is then to get rid of it. Absolutely awful, America is the only home most of these (former) children of "illegals" have every known. Such cruelty to uproot them and send them "home" Sad whatever crime their parents committed by entering the USA illegally, they, the children are surely American now.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/09/2017 08:15

How big business is trying to convince Congress to save the ‘Dreamers’ from Trump

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/04/how-big-business-is-trying-to-convince-congress-to-save-the-dreamers-from-trump/

Lweji · 05/09/2017 08:28

I don't know what to think about the DACA announcement. If he's not delivering it, maybe they won't scrap it after all.
Or maybe he doesn't want to be associated with getting rid of it while still playing to his base.

They are all heartless bastards just for keeping people guessing.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 05/09/2017 08:48

www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/050237.shtml? latest Irma discussion.

Looking increasingly likely to affect some part of Florida early next week after directly hitting various other places, after that???

QuizteamBleakley · 05/09/2017 09:31

Nowt useful to add but following - with increasing horror!

lionheart · 05/09/2017 10:31

Hi Quiz.

I think so too Lweji but it is such a cruel way to appease the base, even if it won't hold up.

This gives me more hope that even if it passes, it will fail.

Neal Katyal‏Verified account

I'll defend DACA. Gimme a break; can do it w/my eyes closed. Much easier task than defending the patently unconstitutional stuff Trump has done.

On the other hand, there is a slight issue with the make-up of the Supreme Court, so who knows?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 11:43

Molly McKew‏Verified account
@MollyMcKew
Putin, Q&A at BRICS conference, returns to favored dismissive American narrative:
Is he disappointed with Trump? "Trump is not my bride" /1
Putin: Russia reserves right to counter sanctions, not now. Can expel 150 more US dips for parity (150 of theirs are at UN, don't count) /2
Putin: "hard to continue dialogue with people who mistake Australia for Austria" (fave Rus insult of Americans, but was Bush, not Trump) /3
(Austria/Australia thing actually interesting because it's not a direct insult of POTUS. Putin will attack Bush and Obama but not Trump) /4
Putin: "US establishment is poorly educated" -- another mirror image of Breitbart talking points that evades insult of Trump ... /5
Putin: Sanctions will change nothing on North Korea. "Only those who mistake Australia for Austria demand sanctions." On a roll. /6
Putin: If US sends weapons to Ukraine, no one knows where the DPR/LPR (aka Russian forces) will redirect their weapons in this case /7

Lweji · 05/09/2017 12:42

Meanwhile,
Four army men held over alleged membership of banned UK neo-Nazi group

The headline in Portugal was that they were planning terrorists attacks, but the Guardian news don't mention anything planned.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/05/four-held-on-suspicion-of-being-members-of-outlawed-neo-nazi-group-national-action

AcrossthePond55 · 05/09/2017 13:24

He's having Sessions do it because he thinks that was Sessions will get the blame and he'll keep whatever Hispanic base he has. Just like in his own empire, send in a stooge to make the unpopular announcement. He's too bigly to deal with the fallout.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 05/09/2017 13:33

Irma is a Cat 5 now. Poor Puerto Rico :(

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 13:37

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
Congress, get ready to do your job - DACA!

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Dan Scavino Jr.‏Verified account @DanScavino Aug 23
'Trump as Commander in Chief, Making the Hard Decisions' by LTG (Ret) Kellogg, a highly decorated Vietnam War Vet:
[Breitbart link that I won't put here]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 05/09/2017 13:39

really? he's allowing it?

So China and Russia are going to be dead chuffed with that aren't they?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/09/2017 14:28

A broad overview into what might be happening:

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-russia-foreign-policy-215538

The Gerasimov Doctrine
It’s Russia’s new chaos theory of political warfare. And it’s probably being used on you.

And possible specifics:

www.nytimes.com/2017/09/04/opinion/kapersky-russia-cybersecurity.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

Lweji · 05/09/2017 14:33

I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States.

I seem to remember he holds stocks in military weapons factories around SK.

"According to the report, Trump's investments cross a wide spectrum of industries, with technology companies, financial firms, defense contractors, and energy are all represented in his portfolio."
www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-stock-portfolio-2015-7

But, more importantly,
Defense stocks pop after Trump's N. Korea nuclear rhetoric

money.cnn.com/2017/08/09/investing/trump-north-korea-defense-stocks-military/index.html

You couldn't have this:

money.cnn.com/2016/11/11/news/companies/trump-gun-stocks/index.html

TheHamptons · 05/09/2017 14:35

She sent this , but it has a pay wall, so I can't read the article to confirm McCain meet with DNI in Italy

@LouiseMensch
@counterchekist

Well now this is interesting

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