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In the dim corner, we have Trump! In the dictator corner, we have Kim! Or is that mixed up?

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TheClaws · 04/09/2017 08:30

....aand we're expecting a dirty, unfair fight.

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Gumpendorf · 16/09/2017 10:07

Maddow now covering what some of the Twitter unmentionables have been reporting for several months. Pence is in it up to his neck.

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

PerkingFaintly · 16/09/2017 10:27

Threat level still critical in London, as suspects still being sought.

Parsons Green: Police hunt bomber behind Tube attack
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41290951

TheNorthWestPawsage · 16/09/2017 10:28

Glad your niece and nephew are OK Buttocks. They will be shaken I expect. Flowers Flowers to them and their parents. I live close to District Line and travel on it every day roundabout that time too. Thankfully, my DCs were on later trains but they know the schools whose pupils use that branch of the line. Very sobering when it gets closer and closer to you. Trump's need to tweet everything he can to show how 'in the know' he is, is so irresponsible.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 16/09/2017 10:33

Hope your daughter in Japan doesn't have any more scares! Flowers for you too Buttocks. Hearing news like that is not a good way to start anyone's day.

lionheart · 16/09/2017 10:57

Reaction to that verdict.

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lionheart · 16/09/2017 11:34

I had no idea this was a thing.

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Trump Voters thinking Trump saved cats during Harvey is almost as embarrassing as when they thought Obama was POTUS during Katrina.

In the dim corner, we have Trump! In the dictator corner, we have Kim! Or is that mixed up?
PerkingFaintly · 16/09/2017 11:52

ShockGrinThat's hilarious!

Surely that Ivan Daniel Beller must be a pastiche/troll account! Surely? Please?

lionheart · 16/09/2017 12:14

You would hope so but the people who have tracked the various comments to the cats are not so sure everyone takes it as such.

I hope the pussy motif follows Trump through the rest of his days.

lionheart · 16/09/2017 12:16

... 'on' the cats. Because talking to the cats themselves would be odd.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 16/09/2017 12:19

If any Trumpsters actually believe the cat rescue photo then I think they deserve our sympathy - it must be hard getting through the day when you're 'of very little brain' like Winnie the Pooh. Grin

Trump Saved Two Cats After Hurricane Harvey?
A photograph that purportedly shows President Trump rescuing two cats from a flooded area in Texas was digitally manipulated.

www.snopes.com/trump-saved-two-cats-after-hurricane-harvey/

lionheart · 16/09/2017 12:24

Sorry to hear about your niece and nephew, Fantastic. Hope they both are well and have a restful week-end.

FantasticButtocks · 16/09/2017 13:28

Thanks all. DD gets back to UK on Sunday phew and DN and DN are ok thank goodness. Feels like Russian roulette going anywhere these days Sad

cozietoesie · 16/09/2017 13:38

Or just staying still, indeed. Sad

lionheart · 16/09/2017 14:31

More on Facebook/data.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/jared-kushner-data-operation-russia-facebook/amp

cozietoesie · 16/09/2017 16:23

"Kushner’s chat with Forbes has provided a veritable bakery’s worth of investigatory bread crumbs to follow."

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/09/2017 17:08

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In the dim corner, we have Trump! In the dictator corner, we have Kim! Or is that mixed up?
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/09/2017 17:19

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
THREAD: Why news that Mueller obtained a search warrant for Facebook content may be the biggest news in the case since the Manafort raid.
1/ Last night, the @WSJ reported that Mueller obtained info from Facebook via search warrant:
2/ The @WSJ talks about some of the info Mueller obtained (see below). Mueller could not obtain content of an account without a warrant.
3/ I was initially wary about discussing implications of this story because I worried @WSJ may have presumed a warrant that didn't exist.
4/ But @CNN has confirmed that Mueller obtained content via search warrant, including ads, acct details, targeting.

money.cnn.com/2017/09/15/media/facebook-mueller-ads/index.html
5/ That is huge news. It means that Mueller has concluded that specific foreign individuals committed a crime by making a "contribution"
6/ in connection with an election. It also means that he has evidence of that crime that convinced a federal magistrate judge of two things.
7/ First, that there was good reason to believe that the foreign individual committed the crime. Second, that evidence of the crime existed
8/ on Facebook. Why is that big news? Until now, Mueller's efforts to obtain information about Russian interference in the election could
9/ be seen as an effort to gain counterintelligence or to investigate a matter unlikely to result in charges. Now we know he believes that
10/ he's close to charging specific foreign people with a crime. Can he do that? Yes, if they committed a crime in the U.S.
11/ For example, my former boss indicted Osama Bin Laden for the first World Trade Center bombing.
12/ So what does this mean for Trump and his associates? This news also has large implications for them.
13/ It is a crime to know that a crime is taking place and to help it succeed. That's aiding and abetting. If any Trump associate knew about
14/ the foreign contributions that Mueller's search warrant focused on and helped that effort in a tangible way, they could be charged.
15/ In addition, anyone who agreed to be part of this effort in any way could be charged with criminal conspiracy. They wouldn't need to
16/ be involved in the whole operation or know everyone involved but they would have to agree to be part of some piece of it.
17/ One thing I should note is that this particular violation of the law preventing foreign contributions in connection with an election
18/ is far stronger than earlier speculation that Donald Trump Jr. violated the same law by accepting information from the Russian attorney.
19/ One hurdle is that to violate the statute criminally, you have to do so knowingly and willfully. Here, Mueller has evidence that the
20/ foreigner(s) had that intent, and it is far more difficult for an American to claim that he/she didn't know that a massive Russian
21/ influence operation was against the law than it would be to claim that about hearing talk at a meeting. Jurors would be inclined to
22/ convict anyone who was part of or aided a Russian effort to subvert our election.
23/ If I represented someone who was caught up in this part of the investigation, I'd be very worried. /end
ADDENDUM: In case you're curious, here's the statute I discuss in this thread: www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121

cozietoesie · 16/09/2017 18:09

Useful - but a tad speculative isn't it? Just why does it necessarily mean that Mueller has 'concluded that.....'?

I'm glad they've obtained the material, though. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/09/2017 18:48

Someone commented on the twitter thread and thanked him for simplifying the legal things so people who weren't in the legal profession could understand what's happening (he was a federal prosecutor) so I don't know if he hasn't bothered to explain why or whether he has made huge assumptions. It's probably best to assume it's speculative though as there's no evidence otherwise!

cozietoesie · 16/09/2017 19:42

Having material is always good though. Smile

lionheart · 16/09/2017 19:43

This from Ben Wittes.
Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account
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Benjamin Wittes Retweeted Renato Mariotti
This is a very useful thread on why the WSJ story yesterday is a very big deal. I am little less certain than Renato about what the legal...

...theory underlying the warrant looks like, but in some ways it doesn't matter. His major points stand no matter it is.

cozietoesie · 16/09/2017 19:44

PS - I'm guessing that he drew the conclusions on the basis that a federal judge was ......persuaded to issue a subpoena. Some judges might be an easier persuade than others - but still...........

cozietoesie · 16/09/2017 19:45

X post. Smile

lionheart · 16/09/2017 19:48

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