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In the dim corner, we have Trump! In the dictator corner, we have Kim! Or is that mixed up?

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TheClaws · 04/09/2017 08:30

....aand we're expecting a dirty, unfair fight.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3015872-Trump-yes-we-have-no-Steve-Bannon

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AcrossthePond55 · 09/09/2017 23:33

lion that is brilliant!!!

But I'm sad that Scotland doesn't want him back! After all, Scots love haggis and what is Trump but a huge piece of intestine stuffed with offal?

AcrossthePond55 · 09/09/2017 23:34

No insult intended to Haggis. Or Scots.

lionheart · 09/09/2017 23:41
Smile
PerkingFaintly · 09/09/2017 23:42

Ew! I like haggis. Or rather, I used to like haggis...

Mirador · 09/09/2017 23:47

My next door neighbour tells me there's more chance of Celtic and Rangers football fans using the same pub in the city centre at the same time and buying each other drinks, than Trump ever being welcome here in Glasgow.

Sounds about right to me.

lionheart · 10/09/2017 09:11

Let's hope they never find out.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/09/2017 09:22

A collection of Facebook items:

@joesharkey123
Replying to @kpoulsen and @davidfrum
Media also neglecting to point out that Facebook said it "identified" $100,000. My guess is that's the tip of a very nasty iceberg.

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issie lapowsky
issie lapowsky @issielapowsky
Lots of reporting out there saying FB found 3k Russia linked ads. It's actually more than 5k. I confirmed twice.

www.wired.com/story/facebook-ties-more-than-5000-political-ads-to-bogus-russian-accounts/amp

K. Goldberg @KGoldPhysics
Replying to @kennybeeonetwo3 and @20committee
FB knows IP address of everyone who reads, posts & creates ads, and all sites THEY visit too. They know everything, but hide, dodge, deny.

Eric Garland @ericgarland
This is why Facebook was behind so much election interference. Their code tracks you ALL OVER the internet, not just your FB activity.

You guys know that, right? If you're logged into FB and you go another site that has FB integration - like "Share" buttons, FB grabs it.

So if that data was exfiltrated to, say, a political campaign or foreign power, then they'd know MASSIVE amounts about YOU. As a person.

Were you logged into FB and go to a travel website? FB knows. Shopping? Same.

Hey, guess how you log into Tinder?

Get it?

We cannot turn back the development of information technology.

Our current crisis is about whether we can maintain democracy with it.

Speaking as someone knows the history of technology forecasting, this is actually very normal, predictable even. Happens for every tech.

Every time there's a major leap ahead in tech, there's a Wild West period with insufficient legal controls - things get out of hand.

Hell, they invented the printing press and the Christian church split in two! Remember that? Pretty crazy, right?

Tech causes revolutions.

Printing press, gunpowder, chemistry, nukes: At first, nobody knows what to do, then there's an attempt to regain a global balance of power.

This is why the US intelligence community put resources to develop Google so that -

Oh, you guys remember that, right?

The ascendancy of a technology that powerful? You think the US was going to let China or Russia lead?

In-Q-Tel supported Google.

In-Q-Tel is the venture capital arm of the CIA, though I believe it was Google Earth that interested them most, which would be NGA. Anyhow.

BTW, isn't it interesting how Julian Assange throws shade at this one US tech company not to blame for 2016? Weird.

www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279447

Anyhow, there are likely to be more rules and regulations for the tech sector. These are public utilities, and vital to society.

That may sound ominous, but when we made huge leaps in food processing and medications, soon we needed an FDA. The Wild West wasn't optimal.

Not just anyone should be making and selling food and drugs. Or making nuclear weapons. Or handling masses of personal data. Right?

Obama said it: Protect your democracy.

This is part of that. So, we don't need to unplug - we need democratic reforms.

And then we can explore the future. And keep in touch with old friends. And have secure elections.

It's possible. Let's do it.

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A very good thread about the history of political ads of Facebook

David Ingram @David_Ingram
I'm getting questions, so this subject is worth addressing in a thread: Why do Facebook political ads not need disclaimers? 1/

mobile.twitter.com/David_Ingram/status/906554302436478976

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Justin Hendrix @justinhendrix
Putin-financed trolls ran memes under a Facebook page called SecureBorders (shut down last month). Donald RT'd one of their memes last week.

[the one of the trump "eclipsing" obama]

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Facebook AI learns human reactions after watching hours of Skype

www.newscientist.com/article/2146294-facebook-ai-learns-human-reactions-after-watching-hours-of-Skype

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/09/2017 09:35

GOP just gopping away:

Ari Berman
Ari Berman @AriBerman
Kris Kobach in Breitbart column now echoing Trump lie voter fraud changed 2016 election in NH. No evidence of this

His "evidence" is people voted in NH using out of state driver's licenses, which is legal & not evidence of fraud

Wendy Weiser
Wendy Weiser @WendyRWeiser
Kobach Discovers College Students Live in College Towns

www.brennancenter.org/blog/kobach-discovers-college-students-live-college-towns#.WbK3sVSBHIg.twitter

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@Shareblue
Florida GOP elects a man who beat a young woman almost to death with a claw hammer

shareblue.com/florida-gop-panicking-after-electing-attempted-murderer-for-county-secretary/

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And because it's nice when reality bites

POLITICO @politico
"Paul Ryan predicted in January that tax reform, Obamacare repeal and a border wall would all be done by now." politi.co/2wPXfd6

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(This ones not GOP related but am chucking it in away)

@NBCLA
A new measure aimed for the 2018 ballot could criminalize abortion as first-degree murder.

www.nbclosangeles.com/news/california/New-California-Proposal-Could-Make-Abortion-First-Degree-Murder--443483903.html?amp=y

Anti-abortion supporters have been cleared to begin collecting signatures for a proposal that would not only make abortion murder but also seeks to expand the definition of abortion, including forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization, according to a report from the Sacramento Bee.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/09/2017 09:38

Then (pre-president)

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Flashback: Trump once took $17M in insurance for Mar-a-Lago hurricane damage—AP found little evidence of the damage.

apnews.com/1fefeef4a4e84fa4af6441f4b6d221f0

Now:

Jamie #Resistance ❄️ @JCTheResistance
Trump extends Federal government insurance program that benefits Mar A Lago.

WTF!

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59b3cd79e4b0dfaafcf82e52/amp

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/09/2017 09:40
Angry

Tom Larkin @TomLarkinSky
Don't even know where to start with this

In the dim corner, we have Trump! In the dictator corner, we have Kim! Or is that mixed up?
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/09/2017 09:49

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨ @olgaNYC1211
Wth!! The 🇷🇺media reported this Trump/Antonov meet while Trump had nothing on schedule and now the WH is denying

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-denies-antonov-trump-meeting-reports

And speaking of Russia/journalists

Meduza in English @meduza_en
⚡️ Following what she says was a potentially fatal arson attack, journalist Yulia Latynina says she's fled Russia.

amp.meduza.io/en/news/2017/09/09/prominent-journalist-yulia-latynina-has-fled-russia-after-her-car-was-set-on-fire

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨
Olga_Lautman NYC ✨ @olgaNYC1211
Another Prominent Journalist and Fierce Critic of Putin flees Russia after her car gets set on fire.. Putin is silencing everyone

She had multiple attacks within the past

A few mths ago her house and car were sprayed with a foul smelling chemical with children inside the house.

cpj.org/amp/028086.html

According to a detailed account of the incident Latynina wrote yesterday in Novaya Gazeta, eight people, including two children aged five and nine, were affected by the substance, which has not been identified. Latynina's elderly parents suffered nausea and dizziness and the children had diarrhea. Police launched an investigation into the incident, local media reported.

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t.co/QJe03wLQ0g?amp=1

[three separate comments on the article]

Nicholas Kristof @NickKristof
The proposed Trump Tower in Moscow gave Trump an up-front fee, no up-front costs, and a spa named for Ivanka

Eric Garland @ericgarland
Russia planned to give $4 million to Trump upfront for nothing. When I was a kid, we called it a bribe.

Caroline O. @RVAwonk
Call me crazy but it seems like Russia might have expected something in return for a deal like that...

saffronwblue · 10/09/2017 11:05

For some light relief, if you haven't seen it before.

[https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/ivankas-notes-for-the-babysitter]

TheClaws · 10/09/2017 11:40

To all affected by Hurricane Irma - thinking of you Flowers

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AcrossthePond55 · 10/09/2017 12:47

Nothing like using a terrible disaster to promote your own agenda. What a prick!

www.cnn.com/2017/09/09/politics/trump-irma/index.html

^Trump also said he plans to ask Congress to expedite tax reform efforts in the wake of damages caused by the hurricane.
"I think now, with what's happened with the hurricane, I'm gonna ask for a speed up," he said. "I wanted a speed up anyway, but now we need it even more so. So we need to simplify the tax code, reduce taxes very substantially on the middle class, and make our business tax more globally competitive. We're the highest anywhere in the world right now."^

TheClaws · 10/09/2017 13:13

When, in fact, it's been proved that the US tax rate is among the lowest in the world.

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Lweji · 10/09/2017 14:01

And surely tragedies require more funding.

orlantina · 10/09/2017 16:38

We're the highest anywhere in the world right now

Has anyone actually called him out on this to his face?

cozietoesie · 10/09/2017 16:48

Somebody - forgive that I don't remember exactly who - said upthread that they couldn't get McCain. This interview might help. (It's about 1/3 of the way into the piece.)

cozietoesie · 10/09/2017 16:48

Sorry. State of the Union.

cozietoesie · 10/09/2017 16:58

There's also some talk of Mr Mueller having obtained some draft letter re Comey which 46 was prevented from sending by his then lawyer.

I really can't understand why, if true, these documents are still around.

cozietoesie · 10/09/2017 16:59

Sorry. 45. (Please let my autocorrect not have the Second Sight.)

badbadhusky · 10/09/2017 17:29

I really can't understand why, if true, these documents are still around.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trump has been getting away with so much stuff for years and years that he thinks he's untouchable. And when you believe that you start to get careless about your record keeping (or lack thereof). He's also working with people in this role who know the law and their own responsibilities for maintaining the public record, so retain their own records even if Trump's people shred with gay abandon at his end. I don't really think he thought through the implications of being POTUS, where a different standard applies, as he was so fixated on winning.

cozietoesie · 10/09/2017 18:21

There's a Maddow piece which touches on that. I'm afraid I don't know its age - and I apologise for the annoying background and advertisement inserts - but you might still find it interesting.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/09/2017 19:39

Maddow also did a slot about the draft letter cozie

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/investigation-trumps-comey-firing-comes-sharper-focus

lionheart · 10/09/2017 20:56

badBad I think they will also keep records because they know how devious he is and will be looking to protect their own arses (can't blame them).

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