To be fed up of Instamums 2

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I have never posted here before, but feel the need to on this one! I follow most of the accounts mentioned, I feel a lot of the same irritations as most here. But I also know that if I was offered some of what these families are offered for a post on Instagram I would do it. I think a lot of us here would. I work in marketing and laws are changing on sponsored posts so these people as well as celebrities won't be able to shy away from it. The Courtney lady I simply don't buy into her 'simple life'. It is far from it IMO. I love Greg's girlfriend, she makes me scream with laughter, the others I take with a pinch of salt. Have any of you considered following the smaller Instagrammers who do sponsored work but are true to themselves?

Flora fairweather I think that's it?
Blossoming birds and her OH
The woodland wife
Feathering the empty nest
Cigarettes and Calpol she's great
Life of Riley family
We made this home
Wild and grizzly

Lol.

I agree with mumsytomy, threads like this exist because you are not allowed to have an opinion on instagram without a post going up sticking a finger up or a tee shirt saying f&ck you in response. It all affects their 'profile' with their sponsors at the end of the day. Instamum accounts are just not up for differing opinions or discussion no-one quite has it nailed yet.

I think everyone is watching this thread with great interest. As a parent, male , female, single, co-parenting, whatever it's hard to get it right.

It can also be a lonely world and I suppose instgram has really helped some people feel less alone. A bit like mumsnet.

I don't post on instagram myself but I do look at the feeds of all the usual instamums who circuit each others world. All mentioned here.

Susie makes me laugh out loud. She is comedy. Motherpukka too and I am so into her flex appeal. I often look at the feed of a lovely Irish girl called Eimear who posts a beautifully curated images and her stories are so true. There is a genuine air to their feeds and so what if they get freebies and earn a crust from it! If someone was offering me opportunities for doing something I'm comfortable why the hell would I say no!

However there in lies the problem. The vast majority of people are not comfortable with oversharing outside of their own circle.

I found MOD blog did as a midwife when I was pregnant and loved it. I loved her early instagram when she didn't do stories and still had a realistic view of the fact they aren't celebs. However I think it's her and her husbands blatant and increasingly disturbing commercial gain off the overexposure of their children which is starting to make everyone feel uncomfortable. It's feeling all very false and yes these children are so well loved and cared for but what damage is this constant exposure doing to them? How is it changing their lives negatively? Everyone says but yes they are doing it to earn money for their children. But do children need such an instagram exposed life?

@Levirae I can safely say that's Bollocks. If you would like me to sign post you to any number of threads I have started and received excellent advice on.....
where would you like me to start?
'Help, social services involved, mental health?'
You can safely say Mumsnet filled a massive gap when as a single mum I nursed a large teenager with psychosis. Until he was sectioned. I then had advice in how to support him and my other sons.
I could give you twenty examples personally.
I had no one.....
I had Mumsnet.

Levaraie
It's not funny at all when people are judgy and bitchy, that's actually never 'funny', but there is not a single comment on these pages stating anyone on Instagram is just being judgy and bitchy. Some comments have moaned about being annoying and cashing in, that's not judgy and bitchy if you are the target market, an opinion is allowed. This thread has not actually been about being judgy about people being judgy at all. Motherpukka was spoken about very positively, as was susie who may be hilarious but has actually responded to this in the most bitchy judgy way of all.

I'm a bit disappointed my favourite beauty blogger got involved with a rubbish comment in one of those IG accounts....
It's so ironic because that's exactly what annoys me about social media in general, when a group gangs up against anyone who has a different opinion. It's happened to me on social media before, and not by being rude or nasty, just by questioning an opinion I didn't agree with (because generally I want to understand the logic).
We can like IG/Twitter/FB and Mumsnet; actually there are a lot of opinions on Mumsnet that I find completely bonkers/stupid/weird sometimes, but it's a discussion forum!
At the end of the day, none of this affects my life. But social media is part of our society and it's interesting to discuss these trends.
I'm off to clean the house now.,,,

There were some nasty things said on the other thread, and I think they were all called out buy someone else. waves to the instagrammers lurking Its a bit unfair to post on instagram that this thread is a whole bunch of judgy women. People can have negative personal opinions on someone - and I think MN despite some areas which really are vitriolic is quite good at moderating itself in general when they cross the line. Instagram I have found isn't great at this, and some instagram followers (not just the mothers) have a cult like following that turns on anyone who is a sole voice of a different of a opinion.

The main issues here which ARE valid to discuss (and not just instamum issues, they are instagram/social media issues) are:

• Using kids for commercial purposes. Personally I dont give a shit about what others do but I can see why some would want a discussion on this.
• The use of sponsorship and ads. Again, if they are clearly marked dont care at all what a instagrammer flogs. If I dont like it I walk on by. BUT I do care if they are not appropriately marking these, or in the spirit of getting free stuff, making it clear you have been given it for free.

I personally am a bit disappointed with some of the responses from people I have respected this matter on instagram. Definitely call out the bitchy nasty comments on the previous thread, but engage with the validity of some of the things that are coming out please (especially around the ads/sponsorship).

Susie has deleted her epic instastories about this thread and has now posted a single post about the whole thing, which doesn't really show her reaction in the way her instastories did! Hmmm!

I think its interesting the way we have different expectations of accounts - most of us love instamums (there wouldn't be a thread about it if we weren't at least interested!) and don't want the accounts we follow to turn into something like Charlotte Crosbys etc where almost every post is a plug for something. I don't think there's anything wrong with that if people are being transparent about it (as Charlotte is, for example) but the instamums are a different type of account really and it would be a shame if they lost their core values.

Levirae Have you actually read any of the posts? You can't have because what you have written simply is not true.

theturnofthescrew yes, I'm more into fashion bloggers & when insta started loved that that the bloggers were a lot more relatable then Vogue. However if they start turning into a mag & going off brand, like when Vogue put Kim Kardashian on the cover it turns me off.

1) people are dicks, unless they prove otherwise 2) give no fucks about the (umbrella statement) twats on mums net, more than likely jealous 3) just carry on being you!

Just pulled off Susies account. I cannot help but feel she posted so her followers can pat her on the back like this and that therefore reinforces her worth, rather than having a discussion about the valid points raised.

Going back to Susie's Instastory, it was interesting how she tried to defend MOD by saying that someone said she was lazy (WHICH NOT ONE PERSON DID), instead of addressing other more valid criticisms of MOD such as her sponsorship and bullying. But hey-ho

If you'd never been on MN and had just seen that story, I guess you would think we were all a bunch of 'bograts' as one of her followers so delightfully called us.

But she is perfectly within her rights to want to post for support. She feels under attack, and every mum wants reassurance over that (you've only got to look at threads here)

However, she isn't putting a balanced perspective, she hasn't read or replied to valid points here. She's just done a blanket "they're all bitches" without saying "actually as instagrammers we do need to be more transparent about advertising things, whilst still sharing everyday stuff with you guys"

Everyone has been supportive of parents making money for their kids. What they are disliking is the grabby trying to get freebies under the pretence of market research, or posts generated to look like everyday life when it's obvious gifts have changed hands for those posts.

Someone upthread mentioned Giovanna's recent free holiday. As I said on the previous thread, the difference being this was obviously an ad. She never denied it, she tagged it, and vlogged it. That's no different to being paid to advertise a project. It's her job. But she makes it very clear when it's an advert, and has done a vlog discussing this in the past.

1. Her cage is rattled 2. She knows she lost it with 'the twats on Mumsnet' 3. She will be kicking herself.

It's ironic that Giovanna fletcher has commented on suzies post saying that this thread is just mum bashing and goes against what 'they' stand for, when suzies original insta story on the discussion was far worse than anything said here.

I think questions and debate are just that. It's a bit weak to dismiss it all as mum bashing.

I'm not sure why this discussion has got so us (mn) vs them (intagram followers). Personally I fall into both categories as many people on here seem too. So by susie criticising the mn people she is in fact criticising many of her own followers isn't she?

This.

I'm torn this morning as I have agreed with the main sentiments and shared the concerns raised on this (and the first) thread but am also a follower of many of the accounts mentions (Susie, MotherPukka, etc.). I'm not ashamed to say I'm actually feeling mildly, vaguely hurt by Susie's comments today.

She's alienating genuine, appreciative followers by calling us bitches.

It's taken a nasty turn and it's not Mumsnet that's done it

I think FOD and MODS PRs have taken over their accounts. Very few comments and no mention of this thread whatsoever. Also very curated, careful posts: 'I'm not looking for applause.' (About her run)

I think the problem is that when you become a blogger/instagrammer/social media "influencer" you do open yourself up to all feedback, positive and negative. Sometimes that feedback will be constructive, sometimes it will be people commenting on things saying "this is fucking stupid go and kill yourself". It's not nice to read as a blogger, but no-one goes into social media or blogging unaware that sometimes, the internet is full of twats.

I think when you get to the higher follower numbers, you start to get a dedicated fanbase of people who fawn over everything you say, and the stream of continuous positive comments makes any criticism - constructive or otherwise - seem like an insult. It's happened to a lot of "big" bloggers, who've gone off on huge rants about a piece of constructive criticism or even a difference in opinion about something they've posted. Once you're used to the adoration, it must be hard not to see any kind of negative feedback as a massive insult. Rather than engaging in debate, it's easier (and probably slightly better for your mental health) to write a post and have your followers defend you.

Unfortunately, I've seen this turn into people ganging up on others - usually smaller bloggers who've disagreed with a big blogger's opinion - and being torn to shreds by the big blogger's fanatics.

Yes! And then a prominent fashion blogger replied to people asking the gender in the comments confirming it was a boy! Oops!

Bored interesting that she hasn't considered that many of her followers may also be on mumsnet. All of the comments have been by people who follow people on Instagram, calling numbers of your followers twats is an interesting start to the morning! However Instagram is a weird world and she will no doubt get the comments she is hoping for. But to assume you are either an exclusive mumsnetter or Instagram user is strange. It's odd, all the adoration, but then that's always happened with every kind of fame.
Regarding FOD and his return to silly dad, he's clearly a nice man trying to control a sudden bit of fame and yes the freebies would be lovely. I'm liking Mod ignoring the whole thing (so far) and going for a run looking really lovely and normal.
It must be hard to take a step back and work out what's best for the kids, YouTube is full of kids being used. I enjoy chloeandbeans but they now make a living out of daily vlogging their family. It never occurred to me till this thread that mod hadn't bought the Miele white goods, I assumed she had after asking for recommendations. If they were freebies it's kind of disappointing that that was not made clear. Same with the holiday, it wasn't transparent. Be upfront. People have advertised things forever but it's the way it's done. I never knew till I saw Fod that you could ask your room to go and turn peppa pig on. This is quite amazing, but I am perfectly happy with turning it on myself so I won't be purchasing any products to do this for me!

Mod and Fod have a sponsored holiday to go on next week which is why they may be a bit quiet.

I didn't know Susie but now follow her. She's right in saying that she doesn't need anyone to validate how she goes on with her life.

Thread 1 had valid points and was bitchy too.

That's a real shame that even the larger accounts are piling in with it being "mum bashing" without reading the threads.

I do wish people would read before jumping in.

I see it all the time in FB local groups as well. A headline gets posted, everyone jumps in saying negative things, someone comes along and says "uh, the article if you read it actually says xxx and not yyy" and get shot down with "you're not sticking up for this that and the other" "ignore the haters"

Langlaw good point, I'm so naive. The lack of ranting is notable. I guess any attention is more attention so if it's ridden out well it will go in their favour. Their popularity started because of their own personalities so hopefully it will work out well for them.