To be fed up of Instamums 2

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Those fawning posts fuck me right off.

Omg Hun forget the haters.

Doesn't exactly move the discussion forward does it.

From looking at the folllowers it seems that they any influencing/advertising would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

pukka

No not all supportive posts are fawning but I do think ones that say things along the line of "ignore that bunch of bitches" when they haven't even bothered to read the threads - they ARE fawning.

'Imagine a world where women stop bashing each other' I hate this dismissive, reductive come back sooo much. It's putting people's opinions back in their boxes and calling it sisterhood. Grrrrr.

A lot of these posters have seriously misunderstood what feminism is.

I suspect because they only like the fun, hashtaggy, anything a woman does is great because she's a woman type of feminism.

Exactly carbs. It's depressing.

Apparently woman bashing is fine when it's Susie Verrill calling us all vitriolic psychos though.

i don't follow any of the insta-mums, but do/did follow some fashion bloggers, and I think the big issue here is the same.

IMVHO, the reason people started following fashion bloggers because they represented something very, very different to the magazines i.e. people with real jobs with dress requirements, with real budgets (some of them even wore the same stuff twice ), and without clothes being pinned, fancy lighting and photoshop. The copy was also uninfluenced by advertisers, so you'd find out if something shrank, or if heels snapped off shoes.

However, the brands got in on the act, and now a good whack of the fashion bloggers are flogging stuff they're paid to, often via professional shoots and press days, and can't bite the hands that feed them.

All props to them - if you can get paid to do something you love, why wouldn't you? But since the objectivity and "realness" has gone, they offer me nothing different to the magazines, and the models are better there .

That's how I feel Turn. I started out years ago watching beauty blogs on YouTube (back when I had money for a £30 foundation ) and when they started reviewing things like Head and Shoulders (as if they would even put that near their feet) all of the fun and trust fell out of it. It made viewers unsure of whether to trust someone's review of anything now that their opinion can be bought for the right price.

I do like mother pukka. She is engaging with the issues and not just dismissing us all as jealous/bitter/psychotic etc etc.

Fuckinglovecarbs: and another thing (don't know how to link your name) when they call criticism the work of 'bitchy mean girls in the playground' again, they are inadvertently being very unsisterly. Get back in your box little girl and go back to big upping the sisterhood for selling their souls for a free Hoover.

Oh now Susie has posted calling us all bitches.

To any of her followers currently reading this: you do realise that the "sisterhood" does not mean you are unable to ever criticise another woman, right?

I equally get the attraction of making a living from this but unless you're "big" enough to cherry pick the ads that make the most sense for your brand/style of blogging it just doesn't go down well.

I don't think there's a right or wrong, just a lot of it leaves a funny taste. But people have to eat/live and there is a demand for such content so.....

You're spot on theturn. They've gone full circle and were all going off them as a result.

I too follow a fair few fashion ones and it is just the same. With notable exceptions.

There are a few people talking sense on mother pukkas feed at least.

Susie is unable to read and move on with her life.

Appraising the thread like she's the teacher, 'some well thought out comments but the rest was judgemental snark' Must try harder.

Christ the comments on that post are depressing. We're all a pack of bitches, and any valid points we discuss are just gonna get dismissed by (ironically) other women. Who then make snide remarks about "women supporting women". Unless you're an ordinary woman on MN, in which case you're a bitch, you're just jealous, you're a troll.

Not your fault Anna of course. At least you're trying to have a bloody conversation which is appreciated.

Do people really not see the irony in complaining we're all tearing down the sisterhood while simultaneously calling us all bitches

Of course discussions on here kick off sometimes. We're all from different walks of life with different opinions. Should we all just think the same things?

I have just read Motherpukkas post and am sadly depressed but not surprised at the responses. There is no discussion to what Anna posted just a load of women criticising MN without actually having read the issues discussed. All fawning over her.

I actually never criticised MP as I do think she works towards the greater good of women and has a purpose to her appeal/posts.

For the others who use their kids as advertising bait I stand by my word that this is modern day exploitation of children wrapped up in pretty pictures. The kids are unable to consent to this parading.

I'm afraid the flood of "we love you Hun" in the comments isn't doing much for the instamum cause...

And people conflating mn with the dm just shows that they haven't read mn. It is depressing.

I stick with what I said earlier. I can take all the flack, I've put myself (and kids, which is definitely a discussion in its own right) out there and I used to work for Mumsnet so get what is does and how it helps. I just think it's a discussion that needs to have both sides in it. That's all. Opinion is everything. I get called all sorts of things on a daily basis. My favourite is "massive elephant twat" by a Dad at 4 months pregnant.

Pukka: I just think that in a lot of cases there's just this bizarre fawning relationship between instamums and some of their followers where nothing is questioned ever. Like a little online cult. Advertisers exploit this and it just feels wrong.

Does it ever feel surreal to you having Beth from Tennessee tell you she loves everything you do? It must feel like a weird parallel universe sometimes.

Classic response to susie's rant:

"Have never read mumsnet, just knew the types of mums and opinions that would be on there".

Pretty much sums it up for me. And MN is not a homogenous being as it is often being portrayed in ig comments ffs .

Appraising the thread like she's the teacher, 'some well thought out comments but the rest was judgemental snark' Must try harderI

I agree. I think Susie has shot herself in the foot a bit.

It's obvious that she hadn't read the thread properly as most of the posts I saw about her were recommending that people actually follow her as one of the more genuine and down to earth Instamums. However, her stories are just

And I think some of the insta dads and mums start to believe what their followers say to them. And it must really distort their perception of themselves. It must be hard to know what's real and what isn't.