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To refuse to buy DS age 12 Grand Theft Auto?

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mrsmootoo · 02/09/2017 14:50

DS, 12, has started asking for GTA because 'all his friends have it'. I have looked at various online discussion sites, some of which have parents who say it's not that bad; others feel the language and sex is OTT. I have discovered that DS does in fact have some '18' games and these do seem very violent, sadly, so maybe I'm being unreasonable about GTA. DS is at great pains to try and explain to me the difference between the 'story' game which you apparently have to download once you've bought the disc, and the 'playing online' version which he could do with his friends and supposedly doesn't have all the sex in it. Any thoughts welcome!

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EdmundCleverClogs · 02/09/2017 21:43

noblegiraffe I'm really not 'tying myself into knots'. You think that any iteration of having sex with a prostitute is rape it seems. I disagree, especially in the context of this game. It's programmed to be consensual, it's programmed to allow the AI in 'prostitution mode' not to be harmed in any way during sexual meetings. Once 'scene' has ended, the game is programmed to turn that 'prostitute' into a general AI, all of whom (male and female) can be harmed/killed/robbed in the game. I'm not defending any 'evil actions' in the game, but I think some are trying to add a narrative where it doesn't exist.

Are you aware there are many games that have actual rape/sexual abuse allusions in them? I can think of several, not all I've played. I also know of games that have some very gratuitous scenes of a sexual nature, and make such highly inappropriate allusions to abortion much of it was actually cut out of the European version . Yet again, despite these games selling very highly, it's GTA that gets used as an example of 'vile games'. I doubt most parents would even be aware of the games I've just mentioned and their older children may well have been playing them all this time. Not to talk about PC games, most of which can be modified, as another poster mentioned, to do awful things.

I can see why people wouldn't like GTA, much like I can understand why some don't watch Game of Thrones or other violent tv and films of a similar nature. However, there's no point saying 'this is banned' and holding one thing aloft as if it's the peak of all that is gratuitous and wrong in mainstream media. People, including our own adult children should be able to come to their own decisions about how 'bad' something is. Reading biased propaganda in the internet like some of the links above will never give a balanced view.

HelloBigWorld · 02/09/2017 21:50

I'll be sure to pass that on, thanks.

BabychamSocialist · 02/09/2017 21:51

noblegiraffe

No rape scene in GTA is there for enjoyment, and GTA V features precisely no rape scenes.

Bluelonerose · 02/09/2017 21:55

I no nothing about computer games and I've always said to ds1 (14) that his dad (Who is also a gamer) must agree the game is suitable for him.
I'm now seriously pissed off that he has let our son have it. Angry
I gave ds1 the sex talk last year including cohesion vs seduction etc but I'm thinking we are due another chat.

noblegiraffe · 02/09/2017 21:55

Yet again, despite these games selling very highly, it's GTA that gets used as an example of 'vile games'.

You know that this thread is about GTA in particular, right? That's why it's being discussed on this thread. Do you have some sort of google alert so that you can moan about people discussing GTA?

You know, I grew up playing computer games, back to when the free game with a magazine was pages of code to type in. I want my DC to grow up having fab gaming experiences. I don't want them to play games where I have to say 'you can drive around and play golf, but please don't murder prostitutes.'.

ruthsmumkath · 02/09/2017 22:01

We have a couple of them (4 and 5), my nephew has it and a few other kids at school I know about. It isn't that bad.

AtSea1979 · 02/09/2017 22:02

No I certainly wouldn't let DS play GTA or any other 18 rated game for that matter. He's 12, he plays 12 rated games. What's what his friend does got to do with it? You have the perfect opportunity to teach him to make his own decisions based on his own views of right or wrong. Or alternatively let him get the game and learn to copy others bad behaviour and see where it ends.

EdmundCleverClogs · 02/09/2017 22:13

noblegiraffe, I know what the thread is about, I've already said I wouldn't allow a 12 year old to play it. The rest has stemmed purely from the 'I've banned it from my house' statements, which I find ridiculous considering the sheer amount of media available that is equally as bad or worse. In terms of popular media with graphic content, it's certainly for a mature audience but it's really not worthy of the 'not under my roof' brigade who think they can genuinely stop other adults in their house accessing such things. The fact is, most 16+ are probably already watching/playing worse without parents even knowing. Especially if they have a phone/tablet/PC where no physical copies of games are needed.

wrenika · 02/09/2017 22:20

There are few games worth playing on xbox/playstation that don't have some degree of violence. Every game on my shelf is an 18 and that shocked me...some of those I really don't think need to be an 18.

GTA is violent. I wouldn't be letting a 12 yr old play it. I think it's a game for 16 upwards. The actually content doesn't bother me. Playing violent games doesn't make a violent person, and murdering prostitutes in a game isn't going to make a person go out and murder prostitutes in real life. It's just a game. I'm playing Ghost Recon right now, and I don't have a hankering to go out and take on a drugs cartel in real life!

noblegiraffe · 02/09/2017 22:31

which I find ridiculous considering the sheer amount of media available that is equally as bad or worse.

But you're assuming that the other 'worse' media is allowed while GTA is banned. How odd.

noblegiraffe · 02/09/2017 22:35

murdering prostitutes in a game isn't going to make a person go out and murder prostitutes in real life

You think people don't want their DC playing murdering prostitutes in case it encourages them to murder a real prostitute?

Really?

NowtAbout · 02/09/2017 22:38

I remember being 12 very clearly. At that age you take little bits of films, and songs, and nowadays video games, and use those titillating bits to form your opinion about what sexes, about how you should treat the opposite sex and about how you should be treated. It's all very confusing. My DS is 12 and I watch him doing this. I'm very open about sex, and make a big effort to give him lots of information. But the bottom line is he will take it from other sources for more than for me. And if things become normalised in a film or a game, and the idea of prostitutes become a thing that happens, I want tha. And if things become normalised in a film or a game, and the idea of prostitutes become a thing that happens, I want him to have that knowledge later. Let alone that these women are something that you can then murder. Yes it is an issue that needs to be addressed but I don't want him to know this until he is old enough to process it in a mature way.

EdmundCleverClogs · 02/09/2017 22:53

But you're assuming that the other 'worse' media is allowed while GTA is banned. How odd.

No, again you choose to miss the point. I'm saying that I don't think it's right to ban any adult from playing games or watching a tv program that has adult themes. There are many threads on here about the popularity of Game of Thrones, for example. As I've said previously, it has much in common with GTA, yet not seen any poster say 'I've banned it from our house'. How ridiculous would it be to ban all adults in the house from watching a popular, adult themed show because one person in the house overreacted to the content? It's an individual choice.

My other point is that I've yet to see anyone name anything they've also 'banned' which is the equivalent of GTA. I doubt anyone that vehemently against this game could actually name any other game that has similar themes, and would be quite unaware if their older children were playing them or not. The outrage for GTA is very niche and specific, and quite often misplaced, purely based on media hysteria.

DoItTooJulia · 02/09/2017 23:05

So, apart from Sims, which other games are as bad or worse than GTA please? I need to know so that when the request comes in I can say no.

CockacidalManiac · 02/09/2017 23:06

I still don't understand why a horde of 12 year olds are desperate to play a 4 year old game.

DoItTooJulia · 02/09/2017 23:10

I think because it's risqué and so many parents dont let kids have it-therefore if you get it you're the 'cool' kid. Or summat.

EdmundCleverClogs · 02/09/2017 23:21

DoItTooJulia

The Witcher 3 is very popular but definitely shouldn't be played if under 15 at least. Fantastic game, but definite adult themes. New South Park game is a big no-no for underage kids as well, that's out soon. Saints Row, like GTA but slightly less popular. Oh, and make sure if your kids have tablets/phones that they are not able to buy the older versions of GTA, as most are available in the App stores.

Quite frankly, there are too many games to mention, if you're strict about your kids gaming, google the one they're going on about and come to a sensible decision about their age vs the content of the game. If they're under 16 at least, only you know if they're mature enough to play it. However, if you just say 'no', even without looking at it sensibly, that game just becomes 'forbidden fruit'. Ultimately, kids will find a way to play popular games eventually, with or without your approval (and even if they have to wait a couple of years).

LonelyRadiator · 03/09/2017 00:41

It's a game developed by a British team, set in America. Beautifully designed graphics, a masterpiece of entertainment media.
It has many areas of comedy, and can be played as you choose.

You can wander around violently abusing everything you come across, ....or you can hike along endless mountain and forest paths, explore river creeks, lakes or ocean in various watercraft, spend hours in a clothes shop, hairdresser or car garage choosing outfits or car modifications. You can play tennis, golf, cycle about, buy properties, play ingame car races or challenging missions, you can fly various aircraft, and of course drive every type of vehicle you can think of.

There's no clearly denominated religious buildings in the game (so no blowing up mosques for obvious reasons) and no in-game child characters/schools.

There's profuse swearing from the off in every interaction where you accidentally knock into someone for instance, or you can actively avoid aggressive behaviour.

There's lots of smut and innuendo in the shop signs and advertising hoardings (the game is British created, not American, so has some irony) which a kid may or may not get. See picture for what we think is the most rudest example.

You can choose to have lap dances or enter pole dancing clubs, where there's topless women sometimes. Or you can choose not to. There's no raping of prostitutes as is often suggested on here. You can buy their services where the animation is a bit pathetic, with the prostitute clearly mocking their customer.

Point blank shooting characters in the face, or stabbing, or other assorted violent assault, with mild blood gore

If the mic is turned on, you'll hear other online players from various nationalities chatting out loud, sometimes adults, sometimes kids, and you'll hear swearing, racial abuse, every so often creepy men winding kids up using sexual innuendo.
There's a LOT of kids who sound under twelve and they spoil the game for other adult users.

Torture scene: it's compulsory. You'll witness electrodes on nipples, breaking knees with monkey wrench, pulling teeth out, wrapping petrol soaked towel around someone's head. The victim doesn't die. Prior to this he's rear-ending someone's wife then stamps him on the head to death.

I know, you wouldn't believe you can also just wander around aimlessly obliviously to all violence and just look at pretty skies and traipse your way through bluebell woods!

If you're thinking of buying this for your child just because all his friends play it, then be aware that they WILL be subjected to highly adult content. Would you buy them an eighteen labelled movie, if not, don't buy them an eighteen labelled video game either.

There's no twelve year old child in the world that won't go into this game and not run about all guns blazing shooting up everyone he sees and deliberately seeking out the nudey ladies or running over a pedestrian just to hear them call him a f*ing *anker. We haven't seen a kid in the game yet who's just wandering around looking at the pretty sunsets and picking flowers...

The game was designed for adults, with adult content, and reflects real life to a degree. Under 18s are not permitted to participate for a reason.

I hope this helps clear up all the misconceptions about this game that are often published on here, and confirms once and for all that any adult who allows a child to play an 18 labelled video game WILL be subjecting them to adult content and themes that are SHOCKING, VIOLENT and SEXUAL.

To refuse to buy DS age 12 Grand Theft Auto?
BadLad · 03/09/2017 01:18

So, apart from Sims, which other games are as bad or worse than GTA please?

The Yakuza series, perhaps. Extremely violent, although very little against women and none at all by the player. However, plenty of the story takes place in hostess clubs, and in Yakuza 4, you have to go out and recruit young women off the streets to work for you, then train them in how to please their male customers. Nearly every male character smokes incessantly too. Brilliant games, much more story-driven than GTA, but with plenty that people might object to, and obviously not for children.

LadyHonoriaDedlock · 03/09/2017 01:29

Haven't read tft but I asked my 16yr old and he said no fcukin way. He and his mates wouldn't go near it because they have female friends.

MissionItsPossible · 03/09/2017 02:12

I still don't understand why a horde of 12 year olds are desperate to play a 4 year old game.

Because it's still one of the best selling and highest rated game out there.

I wouldn't let anyone under 15 play it. I played GTA Vice City at around 12 or 13 but V is so much more realistic graphically even though at the time and for its time VC had amazing, realistic graphics too.

MissionItsPossible · 03/09/2017 02:13

Haven't read tft but I asked my 16yr old and he said no fcukin way. He and his mates wouldn't go near it because they have female friends.

Erm, ok... Hmm

ImAGoner · 03/09/2017 02:24

Noblegiraffe

There's a difference between being a passive observer and an active participant. There's a difference between a rape scene that drives the plot or sets up a character and one that is there for pure entertainment purposes.

Exactly how I feel. When I see/read/hear things like that are part of a valid story, it disturbs me, as it should. I can appreciate its purpose in context, but I have no desire to participate or role play that, nor do I want my vulnerable children to be exposed and desensitized to those things in the context of play.

NoLoveofMine · 03/09/2017 02:29

Ignore MissionItsPossible he's a very unpleasant man.

MissionItsPossible · 03/09/2017 02:35

Ignore MissionItsPossible he's a very unpleasant man.

Shock No I'm not. When did you decide that? The only thread I remember you from is when we were in agreement with each other.