To not understand why the nurse was arrested?

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Why would you arrest someone for refusing to take blood from someone unconscious?

Was the policeman on glue?!

Even if say it was actually policy, surely you just ask for a superior and medics are allowed to refuse to perform any procedure personally?

It's not even that everybody has to stroppily question the rules MrsT (the swimming pool thread by any chance? lol), but we should be free to without having to grovel or risk going on a list somewhere.

I can live with the fact that specific people will use violence to keep some kind of order ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" GO) but it has to be tightly controlled reasonable force.

And lunging at nurses to drag them kicking and screaming outside for not capitulating, could never be that.

'This happened in July, how did he get away with it for so long.'

I got the impression that the nurse wasn't looking to sue anyone but wanted what happened to be acknowledged as wrong and waited to see how they'd stop it happening again.

Perhaps after a month had gone by and she saw nothing had happened to this man, she thought fuck that, let's force the issue?

The collective outrage at him is pretty good IMO (although he must be scared now knowing there are people like him out there waiting for their chance to teach him a lesson)

It was the swimming pool thread

I don't mean we should all question every rule in a stroppy fashion. That doesn't make for a great society either!

I mean we should use critical thinking. I actually think not jumping in a crowded pool is a good rule. But just saying 'it's the rule' isn't enough. And saying 'it's the rule and therefore any amount of censure and punishment is appropriate' is even less.

There is a good philosophical tenet which is 'don't make the law an ass'. If 90% of the people think the law is stupid or break it as a matter of course, your laws are wrong. Being law-abiding should be relatively easy and painless for most people. The fact that the States lock up such a large proportion of young Black men means something HAS to change. Handcuffing nurses is just another point on the curve.

Having reread you post Agent you knew exactly what I was getting at.

There is a good philosophical tenet which is 'don't make the law an ass'.

This is a good one to remember for some of the school uniform threads.

One of the commentators on the news made the point that as a former Olympic athlete, the nurse likely had a lot of mental toughness. I think the police officer definitely met his match. Also as a burn nurse, she is doing one of the toughest jobs there is.

I maybe did sex up what you said a bit MrsT sorry. I was confusing the AIBU Stroppiness Law with RL.

At first I thought they were overstating it saying the US police openly kill young black men who aren't posing a threat, but since taking notice I've been shocked at how blatant it is. Really shocked.

Him attacking the nurse just shows the mindset that leads to them blindly shooting members of the public, a kind of Judge Dredd shoot first, ask questions later.

Nobody's held accountable and they bloody know it.

Who was the cop kneeling down at the car and mansplaining the problem to her, saying the "no no no" stuff?

Frankly, I found him more sinister than the arresting cop who just lost his temper (bad though that is). The kneeling cop was cold and calm and still wrong wrong wrong but explaining so horribly calmly why he was right right right. He made my blood run cold.

A quick google means it looks like he and his supervisor have now been put on paid leave and the local DA is looking at whether criminal charges should be laid against him.

Are the police actually taught law?

'Are the police actually taught law?'

I was wondering about that too, they must have at least a basic understanding of whatever laws they're most likely to have to enforce, as well as what laws there are around how they should behave, surely?

Taking blood was his (p/t) job though wasn't it? You'd have thought they wouldn't have sent him in blind?

Are the police actually taught law?

Certainly they are in the US jurisdiction I live in.

the local DA is looking at whether criminal charges should be laid against him.

Shame they didn't think of that before it hit the news.

He threw a tantrum because he didn't get his own way and the nurse wouldn't give in to him on medical grounds. He took his temper tantrum out on her because she said no to him. The way that woman was handled and tagged about was absolutely disgusting. She was doing her job and she was perfectly right as the police didn't have a warrant. The chief of police has since issued an apology for how the nurse was treated and manhandled.

The cop has been suspended (though I wonder if this is becuase he was caught on camera).
what the police were trying to do was illegal & the nurse was completely right (and trying to help the police by having a call with her lawyer).

Cop was a bully, a jerk & didn't even realize he was doing his job wrong - any blood would have been ruled inadmissible in court as taken illegally.

Police training in US & general attitude to the public (where many see as a threat) is becoming poor

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a police officer who was trained in phlebotomy and was a part time ambulance person did not know the current law. It was a Supreme Court decision which, surely, someone who had cause to carry out the specific procedure as part if his job, would have noted.

He clearly just didn't care and was determined to get what he wanted regardless if the law. The fact that the incident involved a police chase and the innocent victim being a reserve police officer possibly had the police panicking in case they were found guilty of negligence ir manslaughter. It would have been so convenient had they been able to say that the victim reserve police officer had alcohol in his system and therefore was partly to blame.

The nurse was in no way at fault. I hope she's not too traumatised by the whole debacle.

That nurse is amazing. Every American I know (including me) is outraged by this and calling for his dismissal.

The thing that gets me is that she gave them a chance, tried to meet with them etc, and then released the video because they continued to be dicks about it.

My brother is an ass of the highest degree but something he said that's always resonated with me is that the majority of the cops were either bullies in school and want to keep on with it, or WERE majorly bullied in school and want a chance at it. :( From what I've seen that seems to be the case. That being said I've known some extremely decent police as well.

Sue whereabouts are you? I'm sorry you're having a hard time here.

I actually think the majority of cops are good people even if they were bullied or a bully at school. But the profession does attract a huge number of abusers. There was some survey a while ago that showed that domestic abuse rates amongst cops was double the national average.

About 77% of kids are bullied and I don't know what the percentage is for bullies.

Yes indeed, Jux - me too.

Well, great to hear that some sort of action is being taken about this man.

Shame though that it took so long and needed it to be all over the internet before his employers felt he should be held to account.

Saw it last night on the news, its shocking. If she had been black he would probably have shot her. Incredible. What are their police doing and who is training them?

I really shudder at the thought of that disgusting man having the ability/or right to take my blood by force (if I was arrested) or even if I was one of his ambulance pick ups. It's a really unsettling thought.

What was even more alarming about this case was the circumstances. As I understand it the patient concerned was a victim of a head on collision - caused by the other car in a high speed chase. He was severely burned as his truck exploded or caught on fire on impact. He had done nothing wrong. You can't just take blood from a burn victim. They need every drop they can get.
Also this cop was caught on camera earlier in the video saying he's an ambulance driver and he brings all the 'transients' to that hospital and takes the 'good ones' elsewhere. Wtf? What a scum bag.

Also this cop was caught on camera earlier in the video saying he's an ambulance driver and he brings all the 'transients' to that hospital and takes the 'good ones' elsewhere. Wtf? What a scum bag.

No he said that after this incident. He said he would now be doing that to punish the hospital for not complying with his demands. And yes he is an utter scumbag.

Police officer has been fired - both from police force and as an ambulance driver.

CEO of hospital has apologised to nurse for not protecting her better and said that the university police will be retrained.

Police no longer allowed in patient care areas or to interact with nurses. Instead will only be allowed to talk to special managers.

That's good news, mumof.