To not understand why the nurse was arrested?

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Why would you arrest someone for refusing to take blood from someone unconscious?

Was the policeman on glue?!

Even if say it was actually policy, surely you just ask for a superior and medics are allowed to refuse to perform any procedure personally?

I think it was probably 'this woman doesn't know know her proper place, and I need to show her' to be honest.

I don't even know if it was that. I think it was as simple as "get out of my fucking way" as in he had his eyes on a goal and she was the physical obstacle. I think he thought if he put her out of the way in the car he would be able to go back in and get someone else to allow him access to the patient.

The fact he felt able to do this in an area populated by professionals AND on his own camera AND on multiple others suggests to me he would have done it to fucking anyone.

White women in the US are probably the worst people to make a target (backlash wise), yet the fucker did it

Yes, good point Backie. I just can't imagine being so angry at someone saying no to me, or not giving me what I want. Makes you wonder what he's like in other parts of his life.

I'd say nurses are a poor choice of target. It's a profession held in very high esteem by the public in the US. In survey after survey, the nursing profession ranks first in respect.

'The fact he felt able to do this in an area populated by professionals AND on his own camera AND on multiple others suggests to me he would have done it to fucking anyone.'

AND he was clearly comfortable that even with all those people around not one person would challenge him on attacking the nurse as he did.

In the comments on the the link nocoolnames posted (I think) they were asking why the University of Utah Police (who he was talking to at the nurses station beforehand) didn't intervene, as though they would have authority over the Wanker Cop.

But wouldn't they have much less authority as they're in effect just exaggerated security guards and not full police officers? (even though the WC was only a reserve officer (again, as I understand it).

www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

Police in the US rarely face any consequences to their actions. They are also well adept at knowing how to influence the 'story'. Such a shame 'The Counted' has been stopped.

Yeah, he picked on a white female nurse, who had previously been on the US (winter) Olympics team. Bad target choice. Fuck knows what he'd done if she'd been black. Shot her?

Clearly some cop high on his own sense of entitlement. YYY to nameusername - the supervisor telling him he was mistaken was too much for his ego.

Hope the Police Department get sued for every penny of insurance they have.

I was very rude on a thread about the US recently on here - well i said what i think but not in the best way i could have done / most apprropriate way but what's done is done - not proud! So I will just say this and leave this thread: America fucking scares me sometimes. I am here right now on a job and I always feel on edge. Irrational I know but I am terrified of the police here I always think what if I carry my bag in a way they find weird and they think im walking towards them with a gun. What if someone did hurt me and i reported it and then got sued for defamation or accused of lying if it was a male or some other shit i don't know i do not trust their legal system it ruins live and steals lives from the innocently living. This incident is terrifying because its not surprising. God complex issues around here - from a lot of the male dominated professions acually. Very different to anywhere else i have ever been in the world. I am not able to forget the case of the Australian woman who was shot. Its a race issue, a female issue and just a fucking human issue. It's so disturbing.

Thing is agent people did challenge him (verbally) and he gave not one fuck! He presumed his power was enough that their words meant nothing! The sheer arrogance is astounding and very very worrying

It sounds silly, but the security in my hospital have no power really and aren't affiliated with the police more like they are in the US, but I know for a fact they would have tried to intervene more if we were in this situation. They're basically powerless but fucking awesome. I'm surprised the people who you're talking about didn't intervene as I always assumed they had more power

sarah I honestlly at one time have thought you were being OTT, but now I understand it. However I do think the issue isn't a female issue, it's a human issue for sure, but much more a male issue, and black male at that.

@spareasquare yes to them not facing consequences - this is why they continue to terrorise people. ANd no doubt in my mind personally if nurse was black she wouldn't be alive to tell her story.

@titanz no trust me i was really wound up on that thread so appreciate how i came across. But when you're over here and you feel it it's like a dangerous current constantly there under all the nice mannerisms. One wrong move one suspicious thing and someone has had it. There is so much tension it makes me feel knotted in my stomach. And yes. If I was a mother of a black boy in this country I would probably not want him to leave the house - I would be so scared he might never come home. I mean that. It is OTT I probably have extreme views of it but personally for me I just can't normalise it in my mind I can't get used to it.

I work on the A&E so police are there nearly every day either escorting, helping us or coming getting info. They treat us with respect as we do them (plus I plow them with brews and sandwiches coz they bloody deserve it after sitting there for hours). I couldn't imagine any of them doing this. They are very protective over us.

My DS has volunteered in a US emergency room for a few years. His shift is Saturday night, so quite busy with attempted suicide, road accidents, domestic violence and other violence - bar fights, etc. He was gobsmacked to see this incident and has virtually the same description of police courtesy and professionalism that you do, Titanz.

They were 'challenging' him Titanz, but it was striking in how ineffective and weak they sounded.

I'm not calling them on it, like! They seemed conflicted in that they knew he was out of order and wanted to stop him but knew they could get caught in the crossfire if he started firing into what he thought was a hostile crowd.

I really don't like the idea of a separate, less trained, law enforcement with lower standards over who they employ, but can see how they come about.

It comes to something though when the public have to be protected from the bloody police doesn't it?

Sarahsue, I think you are way overthinking things.

If you honestly have a knot in your stomach, etc., you should ask your company not to send you to the US any more.

Surely there comes a time when you look around and see none of the worst case scenarios happening in your vicinity, and realise that the likelihood of a disaster is slim to none?

If you honestly feel that the average American is using politeness and friendliness as a veneer to hide some sort of inner monster that could be unleashed at any minute, or that you are at risk of being shot or arrested or [insert horrible outcome here] at all times while in the US, you should find someone to talk that over with.

sarah - that must be awful for you! are you happy being there?

math - I'm really pleased that my view is the same as the general US view and that this video isn't something thats the norm. Thankyou for that. Hows he getting on over there? That must be a bloody awesome but challenging learning environment!

agent - Yeah I agree, everyone quite mild. I think I would be too when guns are involved. Youre right, it's bloody awful.

I could not imagine working in a city, state or whatever where this is something the police force thought wasn't that serious. Holy shit I'd be out for blood. It would seriously seriously damage HCP-Police relationship, and that relationship is VITAL.

We live here - DS is American. (I am Irish)
It is a terrific experience for him. He has an enormous respect for the nurses.

@mathanxiety I fully accept that I am overly nervous - I don't show it and I have to take this work because im freelance and it pays a lot! I do understand that many people live safe and happy lives in america, but I just won't ever be able to shake the deep mistrust for authority here and that does scare me deeply when i think about it. I couldn't ever feel 'home' here. I know MILLIONS of people don't think like me but I feel strongly about it. I have talked it over with my american friends and some of them have said thaT they just are used to it now. That's not an insult to you or other Americans - it's just incidents that have happened that are public knowledge that mean i sometimes feel i am walking around in an alternate dimension out here because it is so far from what i think is right. I think I made my point now 🙈Apologies if i was batshit rude on the other thread, I got a bit fired up!

@titanz thanks i'm ok just when i think about it loud i feel aaaaargh! Am here for the muneh!

I will just say this and leave this thread: America fucking scares me sometimes.

I think it is primarily to do with a sort of person who can be attracted to policing anywhere in the world.

In a previous job, I worked closely with the police in England. Whilst most were okay, some were power hungry little bastards, who'd do anything they'd think they could get away with. However that's nothing compared a to the treatment black colleagues had meted out to them a in their teens and twenties.

The only shocking thing about this, is that the victim is a white woman, not a black youth.

As I was closing down my Youtube tab I noticed this in the suggested vids column, it's the bodycam of the Wanker talking to two of his yes men after his assault of the nurse.

More of the same really, all me me me, how's this going to affect my other job blah blah. If you click the settings next to the volume on the vid there are subtitles as it's difficult at time working out what they're saying at times (the comments are good too lol it's like an AIBU thread with all YANBU answers)

The nurse was 100% correct. If she had taken the blood, she'd have been aiding assault and breaching patient confidentiality.

It's easy to think 'oh it's just taking blood, people have it done all the time'. It's not. You are causing someone harm by taking their blood. You are stabbing them and removing a small part of their body. It's usually done when a patient cannot consent because the small amount of harm done by the needle is outweighed by the harm prevented by knowing the blood results. This is not the case here - this policeman wasn't trying to learn anything that would help the patient. He's looking for something to indict him.

Horrendous officer. He needs sacking from both of his posts and criminal charges slapping on him.

No apology needed .

I hope you will be able to have your fears assuaged somehow. Being in an environment where you feel so anxious will take a toll on you.

(I just live here - I am Irish).

Titanz - the article I read said that implied consent stopped about 10 years ago. More recently it was actually made illegal to withdraw blood without a warrant or consent