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To not understand why the nurse was arrested?

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exisaknob · 01/09/2017 16:30

Why would you arrest someone for refusing to take blood from someone unconscious?

Was the policeman on glue?!

Even if say it was actually policy, surely you just ask for a superior and medics are allowed to refuse to perform any procedure personally?

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BackieJerkhart · 06/09/2017 20:56

Hurray!! Common sense prevails!!

You know watching the videos I was wondering if it would be possible to restrict the police (and anyone who doesn't need to be there) from entering the patient areas. Glad this decision has been made but how fucking depressing that It had to be to protect nursing staff from the police!! I mean the police are being prevented from entering an area because they are a risk to the people there!!

WishfulThanking · 06/09/2017 21:29

America's law system is fundamentally flawed and I will say it- corrupt. They have been seen for far too long as the number one nation in the world but now our eyes are opened to just how backwards it is. Law enforcement is akin to that that you would expect in a developing nation. Europe is far more enlightened and fair.

WishfulThanking · 06/09/2017 21:31

Great that they appear to be taking appropriate action in this case, but you damn well know that if the nurse was black we would be discussing a different scenario. PPs have said it and nobody challenged them because we all know it is true and accept it.

Ceto · 06/09/2017 22:40

Excellent outcome, but it's disgraceful that it has only come about after so much delay as a result of the publicity. If this incident hadn't been filmed and put on the internet, that copy would still be out bullying people with impunity.

mathanxiety · 06/09/2017 22:42

www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-the-utah-good-nurse-bad-cop-video-says-about-medical-privacy

The second officer, Tracy, who browbeat Wubbels while she sat in the car, was apparently the one who urged Payne to arrest her. Then he arrived to preside over the sorry spectacle.

...the police had the video all that time—it was shot on the department’s own body cam, after all—and, until the wave of publicity, had allowed Payne to remain on active duty, while taking him off blood-drawing duty. The chief of police acknowledged that he had not even watched the video until Wubbels’s lawyer brought it to light, providing another reminder of the difference a video, and civilian pressure, can make. “This cop bullied me,” Wubbels told the A.P. “And nobody stood in his way.”...

...When Wubbels says that she has an obligation “to my patient,” Tracy says that, if it turns out that the request from the police is in violation of the law, there are “civil remedies” that could come into play later: “If we took his blood illegally, it all goes away.” The implication is that it’s acceptable to violate a person’s rights and then wait and see if someone sues. Wubbels was released only after Tracy determined that the hospital had a sample that could be obtained by warrant later; he then tried to blame Wubbels and her colleagues for not making this clear earlier, although she had patiently reviewed the options. The backup Payne got makes the whole story worse, suggesting, as it does, that this is not a matter of one rogue cop but a structural problem. Indeed, it suggests a need to examine, on many levels, the intersection of the health and criminal-justice systems.

WishfulThanking · 06/09/2017 23:55

Urggh. Disgusting.

pigsDOfly · 08/09/2017 13:28

Just seen Mumof's update.

That's good to know and just as it should be.

Unfortunate though if he's allowed to end up doing some sort security job where he can still carry a gun and will still be able to push people around.

Jux · 08/09/2017 17:44

I hope Tracey gets it in the neck too. Both of them are unfit to carry guns imo. Bullies in uniform. I feel very sorry for Tracey's wife or partner, they must live a really grim life.

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