To not understand why the nurse was arrested?

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Why would you arrest someone for refusing to take blood from someone unconscious?

Was the policeman on glue?!

Even if say it was actually policy, surely you just ask for a superior and medics are allowed to refuse to perform any procedure personally?

What I don't understand is why it was left to a nurse to stand between the policman and her patient. Surely in such a case the nurse can hand the negotiation of the law over to her manager or someone who isn't actually trying to nurse an unconscious man! Why was it left to her to deal with this?

That cop totally lost his self control. He could have just said, 'you are
under arrest, please come with me'. That in itself would have been ridiculous as he was asking her to do something totally illegal and unconstitutional, but he lost his temper completely. Imagine the way he would behave arresting a young black boy who was maybe arguing with him. You can see how people get killed in the USA by cops.

Shocking and scary - I hope he gets fired and arrested for assault but he probably won't.

She was not just "a nurse." She was the head nurse at the burn unit.

Apparantly he's also a part time ambulance driver and also caught on his chest cam he said he's going to punish the hospital by driving all the druggies and drunks he picks up to their hospital rather than any others in the area.

The other thing that occurred to me is that even if it is totally correct to violently arrest / assault an HCP who you knew was following orders from their supervisor, it is a bloody stupid thing to do.

The relationship between the police and HCPs (particularly ED HCPs) is an important one. They have very regular dealings and generally there is a lot of mutual trust and respect there.

That one police officer has probably ruined that important relationship between all police officers and all HCPs working in that hospital.

I see the concern there Senca, but I don't think it's necessarily a good idea for him to do that. He's in the middle of trying to collect evidence for a case. Evidence that will deteriorate the longer it takes to collect. That's not the best time to chase paper to try and prove your power to someone else. If I understood correctly his superior had already confirmed to him that he was entitled to collect the evidence and needed to do so.

He did what he was trained to do

Did he even though? Was that arrest (had it been legal) carried out properly? I didn't hear any "ma'am you are obstructing a police officer I am going to place you under arrest if you don't step aside"(or something like that) and then arrested her whilst reading her her rights. I heard none of that. She wasn't even the one speaking when he said "ok we're done, you're under arrest, we're done" the person advising her on the phone was speaking to the police officer telling him he was making a mistake and he snapped and arrested the nurse!! All she was doing was holding the phone!

apparantly he's also a part time ambulance driver and also caught on his chest cam he said he's going to punish the hospital by driving all the druggies and drunks he picks up to their hospital rather than any others in the area.

So an all round nice guy then

I'm just thinking of the dealings I've had with the police here (NI) and there is a world of difference in the whole demeanour and handling of situations in comparison to what I see on these videos of US police officers. Of course different scenarios require different handling but this specific incident did not require any force at all! She was not aggressive, threatening, violent, abusive, endangering anyone or herself. She was being extremely calm and unconfrontational. My mum is an NHS manager and there is no way in hell she would have been as polite and placating to an officer doing what he was doing. Off course she isn't facing a prick with gun he uses as a dick substitute

Boom
Are you a hologram from the 70's ?

www.deseretnews.com/article/865687903/Stop-I7ve-done-nothing-wrong-Nurse-shares-police-video-of-crazy-arrest-by-SL-officer.html

The above links to a page that seems to have the longest version of the relevant clip. Set your irony meter to high, as the cops at the start can be heard smugly reassuring each other that they're recording this...

I was actually very impressed by the nurse. If the sample would have been illegal, which it sounds like is indeed the case, then taking it would probably have been assault (certainly would be in the UK). So, she was arrested for politely and peaceably resisting the commission of a crime...

Blackie I don't think the Miranda rights etc. have to be done before the physical taking of control, IIRC he just couldn't use anything she said in answer to a question after he physically took control, in court until he read her her rights.

I totally agree about the whole aggressive thing with regards to American police. But that's their system. The American public fairly consistently vote for representatives who control the police force who basically support this approach. I don't think it's great law enforcement, but that's their culture and the way they decide to police their streets. Compared to many places the police in the UK have much higher standards of restraint expected of them (not that they always live up to it either) so it may be we're the odd ones out here.

Actually, he said he was going to arrest her, and did handcuff her and force her into the car, but did he arrest her? Sound quality not perfect, but didn't seem to do the Miranda bit?

The first few minutes of that video make the later events even more unacceptable

he got bored and angry
thats about it

She's a former Olympic Alpine skier by the way.

Shocking isn't it when it's illegal to do so. I'm glad the nurse stood her ground and fought for the patient's rights and know the law.

Insight on why the police phleb may be desperate for blood test even when the victim was an innocent bystander as a result of a high speed chase. Taken from r/news

At the beginning of this video you can see two cops discussing how they don't have a warrant because there is no probable cause.

They (the police) were desperate for a positive test because they engaged in a high-speed chase that resulted in a bystander being severely injured. They are .

And just to clarify, the person they're trying to get blood from isn't who they were chasing, it was the bystander.
"Gray is a truck driver when he is not serving as a reserve police officer...Gray was driving a semi north on State Road 89/91 near Sardine Canyon when a man fleeing from the Utah Highway Patrol crashed a pickup truck into him head-on"

Why would the police be excited to get blood from a bystander?

• Maybe prove he had alcohol in his system by chance? Don't know really
• because the department and/or the individual officer can still be accountable for what happened to a bystander depending on what took place. A jury could determine that engaging in a high speed chase was reckless or something like that. By finding if some random trucker was on drugs they are trying to shirk any potential legal or financial responsibility.
• They wanted it so it would hopefully (for them) come back positive for something so they could minimize the damage of a law suit. Bystander injured during active pursuit usually equals a payout from the city. Hopefully with this video evidence the crash victim will get a quick and large settlement.

I have respect for police officers but, they really need to quit protecting this behavior. The bad and corrupt cops are only making life more difficult and dangerous for the good ones

• I think it's more likely the cops were trying to prove the bystander truck driver/cop was on drugs, to help shift blame onto him for his injury. Otherwise they could be liable to him for injuring him in the high speed chase.

Remember, the police in the US have no special duty to protect anyone. (Warren v. District of Columbia)

As if someone is defending the policeman here.

That nurse is a credit to the profession. She did what was right, advocated for her patient, and got arrested for it.

This film really shocked me!! Poor nurse! Utterly deplorable behaviour from the police officer!!

nocool thanks for that link. That was horrible to watch. All 3 of those officers were smug condescending bastards! That police force obviously either draws or creates a "type". That was disgusting to watch. Right from the camera wearer trying to involve the hospital security guards (because they're men obv and he thought they'd back him up) to him telling the guy in the white t-shirt "hey they're busy" like a fucking child. Christ. You could feel how much fear of the police there was there though with the way both the nurse and the white t-shirt guy spoke to them. Ugh.

Actually, he said he was going to arrest her, and did handcuff her and force her into the car, but did he arrest her?

From what I've read she wasn't arrested. He cuffed her and took her to the car. Presumably thought it would scare her.

I Wouldn't stand a chance in the US. My mouth would have me locked up in no time.

The difference in practice amazes me.

I work on the A&E so police are there nearly every day either escorting, helping us or coming getting info. They treat us with respect as we do them (plus I plow them with brews and sandwiches coz they bloody deserve it after sitting there for hours). I couldn't imagine any of them doing this. They are very protective over us.

Btw I didn't realise the police can draw blood samples. Can they do that here? (UK) watching that video it makes me wonder what those guys do to people in their custody when surrounded by their cheer squad rather than witnesses.

They can't here. US thing it would seem, looks like there's some sort of program in some states.

They are very protective over us.

This is what I found so jarring about seeing the hospital security having to protect the staff from the police! The police are the people the frontline staff are supposed to be able to call when they are under threat/being attacked. What faith could any of those staff have in their local police force protecting them after this?

Exactly backie

did you also hear the video where the cop said he would - reworded but - take the more distasteful patients to that hospital to spite them?

That sort of person shouldn't be in the force.