Should I have rang non-emergency police. DS1 verbally attacked.

[TwoMummyPigs]

I took DS1 (12) and DS2 (11) to get their school shoes yesterday. We got on the bus and downstairs was busy so went to sit upstairs. We sit at the very back, with my partner.

Two stops later there was a bang on the side of the bus as it pulled up to the stop. I thought someone had been hit as there was shouting. Turns out this young girl had ran at the bus and hit the doors. She was about 12/13 and with a friend of about 14/15 and a boy of the same age.

A few minutes later they come upstairs and are visibly dissapointed that we are at the back.

This girl is SO loud and mouthy. She dramatically runs up the aisle and plonks her self down on the last seat before ours.
She is shouting about how she had stormed out after hitting her dad and screaming at her friend about 'not being allowed to fucking talk!' She was awful. Everyone on the bus were exchanging glances.

Now my sons don't go places without me. They are very polite and reserved.

My DS was sat behind her, facing my gf as the seats at the back face each other.

Whilst she is hollering and shouting my DS and GF are talking about something completely unrelated and DS laughs.
Next thing I know this girl gets up, comes round the seat and leans down into DS and starts shouting "what the fuck are you laighing about?? You know nothing about my life. Who the fuck do you think you are?"

I leaned forwards and put my hand against her shoulder (not pushing her just creating a barrier) and told her to back off and leave him alone.

She then turns on me. She put her face literally ab INCH away from mine and started the same shit with me. My gf stood up and told her to basically piss off and she had brass balls and carried on shouting.

She storms off and sits halfway down the bus and starts shouting about 'people listening into her private conversations'

So I say 'no body wanted to listen to your drama love but you were screaming loud enough for the whole bus to hear and he wasn't laughing at you!"

The bus driver came up and made them go downstairs (the older girl was just laughing the whole time but the older boy did try to control the littler one) He didn't even kick them off the bus!

DS said he was ok but he looked a little shaken and they did say on the way back he hoped she wasn't on the bus home.

Should I have done more? Complained to the driver? Called 101? She was so aggressive and out of order.

accused*

Victim blaming is suggesting the victim holds some responsibility for the harm that is caused. So saying it was your fault someone stabbed you because you took the piss out of their appearence or you wouldn't have been raped if you hadn't been wearing a short dress.

No-one has done that. They criticised the OP for her response.

pinkingsheers My DP works for the same company as your DH and that is really not the case re getting in trouble about pulling over or the police not attending

And people wonder why police numbers are stretched to their limit

It doesn't seem to be a hate crime, so the police would not really be interested or able to do anything about it.

Nickynacky no need to be smart with me-I know what I'm talking about. This girls behaviour is par for the course in parts of London but doesn't mean it's ok or should just be sucked up. Obviously depending on where the OP is based the girl is likely to have had a zip card/travel card/oyster etc and can be traced by that and buses have cctv so not necessarily hard to trace and deal-especially if she is school age.

Budget cuts make dealing with most things really difficult but posters saying ' the police don't be interested' is a stupid thing to say as they clearly don't know that's true, or are so used to this terrible behaviour they think it's become the norm. The OP holding the girl back is purely to stop an assault happening (based on what she wrote) so no problem there-she didn't give her a slap.

posters saying ' the police don't be interested' is a stupid thing to say as they clearly don't know that's true

They do know its true and so it isn't stupid. If you think the police are going to get a warrant to comb the records of the bus company and cctv to try and track down a child for shouting on a bus, you are deluded.

Monkeypuzzle,

Completly agree with you and getting snippy and condescending doesn't exactly put the police in the best light and some might do well to remember that the police are here to help us by taking our concerns seriously. Anti social behaviour is a huge issue in our society and no it might not be up there with other serious crimes but it still blights the lives of many. There have been many high profile cases of failures by the police, they do get things wrong and do rely on us the public to report these things. Now as I've said, this girl may very well not be serious enough to some of you to warrant further investigation but if she did go on to cause further nuscience should that just be ignored? I'd have thought much like lots of other incidents like criminal damage, that if people don't report than how are the police supposed to know about it?? Do they have the power of telepathy or do they count on members of the public to report? When faith in the police is at an all time low, it might be prudent to actually appear to give a shit about the stuff of us have to endure on a daily basis.

Lesprit you are the deluded one dear-don't assume you know everything.

I don't know everything. I do know that though. As do you if you actually think about it for a minute!

Imagine that call..."Hello police? A 12 year old girl shouted at me and my children on the bus" "Righto, we'll get a warrant and run the cctv, and also get all the records for the bus cards, which may not show anything even if they have them. Then we'll put up some wanted posters with a sketch and a reward on, that ok?"

Someone's been watching too many crime dramas!

oh dear, you are entitled to a different opinion but being so rude and adamant about something you know nothing about is just embarrassing.

walking can you please show me where I have been condescending and snippy? Unlike your self who seems to think I need reminding of the definition of anti social behaviour?

Except I do know about it. And I'm not embarrassed

Nickynacky

I reminded you of the legislation because not once have you intimated that anti social behaviour is actually a crime. And you have not corrected those that have been saying that no crime took place because the girl was aged 10 - 16 yrs, another fallacy as the criminal age of responsibilityis 10. I don't expect MI5 on the case, just an acknowledgment that anti social behaviour such as this incident can and does have negative impacts on victims, that's all.

And you have not corrected those that have been saying that no crime took place because the girl was aged 10 - 16 yrs

Since nobody actually said that, why should she correct it?
You're just making up things people said, and then arguing about it. Which you could really do on your own in your head and save the rest of us the bother, tbh.

People did say it, try reading the thread. Feel free to scroll past my posts.

They didn't though. You just thought they did, that's not actually the same thing.

if you say so lesprit-you are misinformed and don't know about bus crime/cctv/tracking etc its clear you dont but instead of saying 'well that's my opinion' you try to belittle me and rubbish what I'm saying when I am right and that's not my opinion, its fact.

you should be embarrassed at declaring your knowledge but being totally wrong about your facts.

I'm not wrong, and the police officer posting on the thread agreed with me, so perhaps you could just stop stamping your foot and shreiking that everyone else is wrong? It's a bit wearing and entirely pointless.

and the sock puppeting is a bit old fashioned too

Not read whole thread but shocked and posters being so casual about the whole episode. And to say OP is as bad!!
I live in a big city and use the buses a lot. I am constantly getting involved with shit like this or witnessing terrible aggressive behaviour.

OP you have my sympathy and I feel sorry for your dc. I worry about the time my younger dc travel on their own.
Sadly, I think in situations like this you are limited to what you can do.
Bus drivers mostly dont want to get involved and you cant blame them
Although occasionally I have had the odd bus driver take no shit and tell em to get off
Where I live there is a number on 'the bus you can text and report an incident. I've used it. To be fair they rang me back but couldn't identify the culprits as the cct wasnt working!
I've also had the bus driver call the police. Once it was an incident I reported to the driver. The police weren't able to attend
Although the driver stopped the bus and waited. The man who was aggressive to be just sauntered off when he knew the driver had radioed the police
Recently I called the police myself when a some lads hit a bloke. The police came and took a statement from me as a witness but nothing seemed to come of it. Again,the culprits walked off.
It's frustrating and scary being stuck on a bus she something kicks off.
I.guess the posters who say nothing can be done as they are only kids dont use public transport. Im.sick to death of really bad behaviour,smoking,swearing and worse

If I had been the OP is have been close to giving the mouthy kid a slap.

I am constantly getting involved with shit like this or witnessing terrible aggressive behaviour

Maybe it's you then, because most of us are never involved with this shit.

Lesprit
Maybe it's me?are you for real?
I'm a woman usually travelling on my own
To work through a rough part of the city
I had a man threaten to smash my face in.?My fault?
I constantly witness awful behaviour.
Maybe you live in a nicer area than me or don't have to use public transport.

I live in a capital city and use public transport. I am never involved in anti social aggressive behaviour. You said you constantly are, so yes, maybe its you.

Lesprit,

If you've never witnessed anti social behaviour on public transport then you're either liar or you live in fairy land.....or you just ignore it and hopes it goes away, please don't blame those of us who have actually witnessed it because until you have, you have absolutly no idea what you're talking about.

She said she has never been involved in it, not that she had not witnessed it.