Dd 14, back to school and new rule females pupils are not to pull up tights in front of male teachers

[catnoir]

Dd 14 had her first assembly of the year this morning, and head mistress / principle has a list of new rules, one including female students are banned from pulling up/ adjusting their 60 denier tights in front of male teachers as she feels this is inappropriate and it must be done in private in bathrooms. Surely this is crazy?

but you just don't see people adjust their tights in public in the same way girls do in girls schools. The skirts get hitched right up or even taken off.

I'll say. Not something I ever saw in our school. Though we wore woollen tights in winter, long socks in summer.

I think they should pull tights up in private. It doesn't look ladylike. ..I often pull mine up in the lift on my own. ..or occasionally in female only company.

As a school governor (Catholic school) I don't disagree with the new rule of pulling up tights, but it should apply across the board. Should be done in public.

It's not about male teachers not being able to control themselves. ..but I've actually seen girls do this at school and it doesn't look good. Hiking up their skirts (which some do) is hardly going to look good .

Tall person here, its nigh on impossible to get tights to fit longer legs crotch at the knees by morning break when I was at school so it can be really uncomfortable to wear tights, or they need adjusted a lot. I've had 40 odd years of experience, and have yet to find a suitable fit. I can't fathom, for a second, why this has become a rule. Do we need to go the way of our American counterparts who have, in some educational establishments that made the news, banned strappy tops/shorts as it 'distracts' the male students?
The problem isn't with the young ladies' attire or that they require occasional adjustment, it's with the attitudes of others. God forbid a woman/young lady be comfortable in her clothing, and be able to adjust it (appropriately/discreetly, and not excessively) when needed

I feel like screaming "just wear trousers instead".

And yet, the local high school allows girls to wear them. How many girls do I see wearing trousers?

Gender /sex matters here for the same reasons women are so flustered on other friends when their DD's Dad 'seems creepy' or the worry about self-identification and female spaces.

Boys should go to the bathroom to re-arrange their tackle too.

If men have no right to make women feel uncomfortable then women have no right to do it to men.

If the teacher's don't want them to then they should respect that.

Unfortunately we do live in a world where things can 'look odd'...at my friend's school there was a visiting music teacher and a female student in a room having a lesson, that the majority of girls fancied...especially 6th form girls! Another teacher walked past and sees girl hoiking up tights a little too far etc...then sees same teacher and same student again in another lesson sat opposite each other in a cello lesson etc, she'd got in her head something was 'off'...she was overheard discussing on corridor with another teacher about her 'concerns' by some students...according to my friend when it was investigated it was like the scene in the courtroom scene from the crucible by Arthur Miller these girls were jealous of the girl getting to spend three times a week with him...in the end he had to come out and admit he was Gay and lived happily with another man and had no interest in women/teenage girls whatsoever...completely agree with a lot of the posts by MrsT2007...so much easier to teach in trousers!

I don't teach in a girls' school, but I do teach in a school with girls and female colleagues in it, and no - have never seen this constant adjusting of tights.

IME it just isn't done the same way in mixed sex schools. Do girls in your school walk around all day with hot water bottles tucked into their waistbands when they have their periods? That's another thing we get every single day in my school that I'd never seen in a mixed school. I don't think it's meant to be provocative or sexual when they hitch up the tights just to be clear. They just sometimes treat the school as one big, extended girls changing room.

I'd be livid.
Are boys prevented from pulling up saggy trousers?
In movies, a woman slowly pulling up stocking can be used to suggest seduction but these girls are in the real world and yanking them up out of comfort/necessity.
Bizarre that it's allowed in front of female teachers. It's basically saying that male teachers are perverts who can't cope with teen girls. I'd be furious if I were a male teacher.
What are the school going to when a trans student adjusts his tights? As a boy will he be banned from adjusting them in front of female teachers?

Allow trousers or leggings under the skirts instead. Problem solved.

Tights are awful. Itchy uncomfortable and not recommended for kids prone to UTIs

I would also hope the male teachers are up in arms about the insinuation they can't cope with seeing girls yank the tigts up a bit. Is that what the female teacher really thinks of her male staff?

Im.not male and id wanna tell her to fuck off.

I went to an all girl's school. We just hitched and went.

It certainly wasn't done as some bizarre attempt to embarrass a male teacher.

I find your examples a little odd GreenTulip. If a grown man is embarrassed by the mention of a tampon then that's totally his problem.

This actually happened - and it wasn't just the teacher who was embarrassed

Sir can I go to the lop
No we've just had break
Sir I need to change my tampon

In front of the whole mixed class during history lesson - Year 8
students

My daughter was equally embarrassed

(appropriately/discreetly, and not excessively)

This is what the head teacher means - rather than a complete ban

It's girls remember where you are and stop flashing your pants - yes she should've said 'to everyone' but the effect is the same

OP you've had a fair few teachers and school workers explaining explaining how the girls are doing this - notnone teacher has said it's a sexual act - it's lack of awareness of where they are and who's looking

Those 'horrified' at this ban are making it sexual.

Ask your daughter to show you how these girls are and justo her their tights it won't be pinching at the Knee and a quick wiggle

This is insane. I'm an ex teacher and I've seen kids hitch their tights up, adjust their underwear, do their flies up - especially after a PE lesson. its inevitable in a classroom with loads of kids. You just ignore them and get on with your job. To suggest a male teacher is incapable of doing this is bloody vile.

FWIW it doesn't matter if they're 6 or 16, they're children. If male teachers can't view them as that then that's their issue.

I work in a girls school and I hate the tights adjusting. I'm a woman but you just don't see people adjust their tights in public in the same way girls do in girls schools. The skirts get hitched right up or even taken off. If people are imagining someone tugging at the thighs of their tights a bit because they've come a bit loose that's not what the HT is talking about. I tell girls in my classes to go sort them out in the toilets too. You'd never see people doing it in public which is what a school is essentially. Some of them seem to think that the whole school is one big girls' changing room. I don't see the problem.

Teachers are confirming that girls pull their skirts up to do this and that isn't appropriate in public in front of any teacher. Women teachers don't want to see the girls pulling their skirts up any more than male teachers do. Ask you teenage daughters how they would feel if a male teacher did underwear inspection and they had to stand with their skirts up and I can't imagine any girl thinking that is appropriate, it goes both ways.

Maybe the Head should have said you can't pull your skirts up to adjust tights as obviously some pedantic people will decide this means adjusting them at the ankle but it is pretty obvious what the problem is.

I await the film of the Queen or Theresa May pulling up their skirts to adjust tights and look forward to the comments.

I would do it in private. Why would you do it in front of people. I've never noticed students doing this in any educational place I've worked.

*This actually happened - and it wasn't just the teacher who was embarrassed

Sir can I go to the lop
No we've just had break
Sir I need to change my tampon*

How dare she embarrass all those innocent people by talking about her lady functions!

Of course they should do it in private as I have done for the many years I have worn them. It is not the same as boys pulling up trousers. The closest comparison is boys adjusting their tackle in public, as has already been mentioned, which I cannot bear.

How dare she embarrass all those innocent people by talking about her lady functions!

It's the attitude that disrupts the whole clas/lesson - it's not OK

What about gay female teachers? Are they allowed to pull them up in front of them?

I find your examples a little odd GreenTulip. If a grown man is embarrassed by the mention of a tampon then that's totally his problem.

She said the girls did it to embarrass the male teachers/boys, that doesn't mean the teacher is embarrassed just that the girls do it because they want to embarrass them. My GS travels home on a school bus, he says the girls talk loudly about tampons and bleeding when they want to move any boy who has dared to sit where they want to sit. He told me one day he was the only boy left in the front half of the top deck, he refused to move and he said they got pretty graphic. I think the girls had the problem not the boys and I think it would be just as pathetic if the boys started trying to embarrass the girls to force them to move by discussing erections (I'm sure they can think of other embarrassing things to discuss but I couldn't think of an equivalent to tampons.)

Don't you just love it that girls are forced to wear clothing entirely inappropriate (school uniform is badly cut and often see through and tights fall down etc)

Yet somehow the girls are always at fault about it all.

Nothing to do with the fact kids are being forced to wear clothing designed to fit everyone regardless of height weight body shape etc.

And things designed to fit everyone don't fit anyone very well.

I reckon moussemoose has hit the nail on the head here.

Ban tights, if girls can't manage to go between breaks without doing this then they could always go back into ankle socks.