To think Brigitte Macron is a pedophile

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Apologies if this subject has been done before. But I came across an article where Brigitte Macron describes her love affair with her then 15 year old pupil where she goes on to say "when we became lovers is our secret".

AIBU to think this woman is a pedophile?

She actively groomed her FIFTEEN year old pupil. How is she different to Jeremy Forrest who was jailed for having a relationship with his pupil?

It is beyond disgusting.

Save your disgust for real cases of abuse and perversion

Are you suggesting then that the likes of Jerermy Forrest shouldn't have been convicted? Or should any decisions on whether to prosecute be delayed to give the potential accused time to see if they could have a go at turning it into a working long term relationship?

The issue is that there are double standards here.

I appreciate this is France and the law is slightly different. But in the UK it is rare for a woman to be labelled a 'paedo' whereas men who engage in a relationship with anyone under 16, or 18 if they are a teacher or similar, ALWAYS are. Ditto any man charged with viewing images of child sexual abuse. The images can be of 15-16 year old son, but it doesn't stop the pitchfork wielders calling paedo.

Society seems to see the older woman / young man as somehow de rigeur...the Mrs Robinson effect, although he was in his 20s. There is a storyline at the moment on Hollyoaks where a female teacher is involved with a pupil who I think is meant to be 16 (I may be wrong, I don't watch it) but I would be very surprised if a storyline like that is resolved with her being prosecuted. We seem to suggest to boys it's OK, that if at 15 a woman (especially a teacher) shows sexual interest in them they should go along with it. I know men who have been very damaged by being coerced into sexual activity as teens by adult women, but it tends to be brushed under the carpet.

The situation with the Macrons makes me uncomfortable. It doesn't seem much different to Bill Wyman and that teenager he married (Mandy Smith?).

hypocritical? in what sense. please do explain

Try reading the thread and switching the sexes of the parties.

www.kentonline.co.uk/malling/news/teacher-claims-groomed-kerner-bexleyheath-92287/

I think in the sense that posters are going on about them being 'soulmates' and 'lasting the distance'. The same posters would probably call for someone like Jeremy Forest to be strung up and castrated. I am guessing that if some of the soulmate posters have sons, they would not be so happy if their sons began a relationship with their 40 year old teacher in a few years time

"I remember when 6th formers were a perk of the job

OMG this makes me feel ill.
Someone upthread said 15 year olds don't look like boys because they've gone through puberty. They do look like boys, they're in Y10. Tall, sweaty, hulking boys covered in Lynx.

All this 'he chased her' is irrelevant. Teenagers have crushes on their teachers all the time because they are in a position of responsibility. It's like fancying someone from Hollyoaks. Teachers should be trusted not to take advantage.

There is nothing wrong with someone being attracted to a 15 or 16 year old. What you are expected to do is not act on it.
You don't always know how old someone is if they look older. A 15 year old can look 20 ffs so you are not disgusting to be attracted to them.
We are not talking about a 12 year old or a small child.
What many people are trying to do is to say that someone is disgusting to fancy a developed and sexually mature person. It's not the same as paedophilia!
A sensible person would avoid getting involved with someone that young or that much younger than them but some, as in this case do get involved and stay involved.

A certain religious prophet married a child and is most certainly a paedophile but if you say it you are a bigot/racist/phobic

Someone upthread said 15 year olds don't look like boys because they've gone through puberty

Yes, that is a real cracker of a line. Anyone , particularly a man, saying the same about 15 year old girls to justify an underage sexual relationship would not know what hits them when the collective wrath of MN descends.

My eldest childs father met me when I was 15 and h was in his 30s. It was a sexual relationship. I was sexually active with older men since before my teens so I was very experienced etc. I wasn't child like. I can understand how some teens are totally not ready for a sexual relationship but however others are. It is what it is.

There is a storyline at the moment on Hollyoaks where a female teacher is involved with a pupil who I think is meant to be 16 (I may be wrong, I don't watch it) but I would be very surprised if a storyline like that is resolved with her being prosecuted.

There was a Hollyoaks storyline years ago where a teacher Becca had a relationship with her student Justin. She was fired by the school and ended up in prison because Justin said she'd slept with him when he was 15. Then she got stabbed and died.

I sometimes work with sex offenders and I've never seen any of these Greek words used by psychiatrists or any other professionals to describe someone. If I did I would find it strange and old fashioned. I think it is a word only really used in common vernacular these days.

Agree. It's ridiculous to say that fancying young people who are physically mature is paedophilia. Christ, look at fashion magazines. Expensive clothes worn by sixteen year olds.

Or should any decisions on whether to prosecute be delayed to give the potential accused time to see if they could have a go at turning it into a working long term relationship?

This. It's ridiculous to say that the fact that they are still together now somehow makes up for a soon middle aged woman with teenage children having an affair with a young teenage boy and telling the boy's distraught mum that she couldn't promise that she would stop seeing him. What kind of actual adult does that? Let alone a teacher. This also wasn't back in the dark ages- it was in the 1990s when it was well recognised that teacher student relationships are completely and utterly wrong.

Are you suggesting then that the likes of Jerermy Forrest shouldn't have been convicted? Or should any decisions on whether to prosecute be delayed to give the potential accused time to see if they could have a go at turning it into a working long term relationship?

No. If the law says he did wrong then a conviction is right. Every case is different. The law is right to protect the young and vulnerable but I don't think we should automatically assume all these relationships are perverted.

This is madness. She isn't a peadophile by uk nor French standards.
It might be unethical but certainly not a paedophil, as he wasn't pre pubescent.
Of course the daily mails definition is that of anyone under the age of 16.

BM does not want to reveal when they first became intimate. 1) first, intimacy does not have to equate to a sexual act/penetration in corruption of minor cases. 2) on their wedding day in 2007, he thanked all their guests in 'bearing' with them despite their abnormality of 13 years. So simple deduction is that he considers his fate sealed with hers at the age of 17 years. When he was 17, she was 42 years old. And you can reverse the sexes here, and I'd still think it's sick - in the mental sense of the word.

I was sexually active with older men since before my teens

I'm so sorry that this happened to you. There is a reason that this is a crime.

It's worse than unethical. In french 'standards' as you call it - it is illegal as well. It's called detournement de mineur.

I was sexually active with older men since before my teens so I was very experienced etc. I wasn't child like

What you have described is sexual abuse. Pre-teen children are not "sexually active" they are sexually abused.

employing his wife did for Francois Fillon's chances

tBF it wasn't just employing his wife, it was employing her and his kids at vast public expense to do no work whatsoever while preaching austerity fir the masses.

I was sexually active with older men since before my teens so I was very experienced etc

WHAT? CoinOperatedGirl, that is not normal, it is very, very abusive. An 11/12 year old child should never ever be sexually active with 'older men'. It is not 'what it is'- it is extremely wrong and I am very sorry that happened to you.

I don't think we should automatically assume all these relationships are perverted

Of course. A 40 year old teacher and her 15 year old pupil is a perfectly normal, healthy relationship. They're 'soulmates' and nothing anyone says on here will convince me otherwise

Of course the daily mails definition is that of anyone under the age of 16

I think the word has moved on from the strict psychiatric definitions of the various illegal philias given dictionary definitions simply refer to sexual attraction to a child.

Anyone , particularly a man, saying the same about 15 year old girls to justify an underage sexual relationship would not know what hits them when the collective wrath of MN descends

It appears I'm wrong in saying that. There seem to be several posters who are cool with the idea of male teachers having sexual relationships with 15 year olds.

Every case is different. The law is right to protect the young and vulnerable but I don't think we should automatically assume all these relationships are perverted

Possibly this also plays into the notion that the French and France are generally so much cooler than the boring, stuffy Brits.

Don't feel sorry for me. I'm not sorry it wasn't as if it was non-consensual (not in the legal sense as I'm now aware the legally I couldn't consent). I do think we need to worry more about the kids who are being forced and really abused. Not randy teens who willingly have sex.

noblegiraffe I said they didn't look like little boys. I was responding to a pp that said they did.
I'm fully aware they're not men. 15 year old boys generally look like what they are - adolescents.