To think Brigitte Macron is a pedophile

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Apologies if this subject has been done before. But I came across an article where Brigitte Macron describes her love affair with her then 15 year old pupil where she goes on to say "when we became lovers is our secret".

AIBU to think this woman is a pedophile?

She actively groomed her FIFTEEN year old pupil. How is she different to Jeremy Forrest who was jailed for having a relationship with his pupil?

It is beyond disgusting.

I assume teachers can seduce/shag pupils and that there are no EU laws/protocols against it
No idea if there's an EU law against it but as someone posted up thread there is a french law against it, similar to the UK law. The French do have their own laws same as the UK does you know?

PollyPerky As PP has said, nobody knows when the relationship became sexual because it is 'their secret.'

It's such an enormous age gap. And he was very young. I can't believe anyone with s 15 year old would be anything other than worried and unhappy. It does feel creepy.

His parents were very disapproving and anti the relationship, I believe I read.

It's wrong. She was his teacher, he was there to learn, hang out with friends and generally be a 15 year old boy. He wasn't there to be the focus of affection for a woman who felt sexually and emotionally attracted to him.

I didn't realise their relationship started when he was 15, sexual or otherwise. It is completely wrong.

A ephebophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to adolescents between the ages of 15 - 20.

Gawd this could only happen on MN!

So an adult of 18 (legal age) who dates a 20 yr old is a ephebophile. Yeah. Right.

That makes us all one I suspect if when we were 18 we dated anyone a year younger.

PollyPerky As PP has said, nobody knows when the relationship became sexual because it is 'their secret.'

Exactly. So this whole thread is a load of bollocks.

When I was at school in the 1970s, a couple of my peers later married teachers at the school who they became close to during the 6th form. No one batted an eyelid.

Interested to know if people on here defending what the teacher has done would have a sexual relationship with a 15 year old?

I have no idea what the truth is about Macron but I wonder if we were talking about a man you and others would be so ready to take up this point?

This ^^

Also, if a male teacher groomed his 15 year old pupil but waited til she was 16 or even 19 to sleep with her, I doubt we'd all be saying that it's no one's business but theirs.

Because EM is a guy, it's all 'older woman, nudge nudge, wink wink'. The whole thing is appalling.

She isn't a paedophile but she was morally wrong and abused her position of power.

I do believe that she groomed a 15 year old who I would assume had little to no sexual experience before and took advantage of him.

A previous poster stated that as an adult he chose to stay with her but if a child has been groomed since the age of 15 it would be almost impossible to break away from that "relationship" if it's the only one you've ever known.

Do I think she took advantage of a naive school boy? Yes

And she may not come under the definition of paedophile but a 40 year old person finding a 15 year old sexually attractive just doesn't sit right with me.

On the subject of teachers grooming pupils I'd just like to throw this case into the mix if I may:

A school vice principal who a judge said was "groomed" by the girl he was convicted of abusing has started an Appeal Court bid to clear his name.
Stuart Kerner, 45, of Russett Close, Aylesford, was found guilty in February last year of having an affair with a teenage girl.

But after Judge Joanna Greenberg QC said she considered he had been "stalked" by the girl, he walked away with a suspended sentence.

www.kentonline.co.uk/malling/news/teacher-claims-groomed-kerner-bexleyheath-92287/

From what I've read of the Macrons, he actively pursued her. Also from what I've read, they met when he was 15, the relationship started when he was 18. But as none of us were in the bedroom observing at the time, who knows and who cares

When I was at school in the 1970s, a couple of my peers later married teachers at the school who they became close to during the 6th form. No one batted an eyelid

That doesn't make it ok.

When I was at school in the 1970s, a couple of my peers later married teachers at the school who they became close to during the 6th form. No one batted an eyelid.

Funnily enough, we were talking about this in the staff room. My old maths teacher married a girl in the year below me - but to be fair, they weren't in a relationship at school, they met later in a night club when she was 23. But it did lead on to a wider discussion when one colleague commented "I remember when 6th formers were a perk of the job" but then, he would have been 22 and not the 52 that he is now.

But after Judge Joanna Greenberg QC said she considered he had been "stalked" by the girl, he walked away with a suspended sentence

Everything about that case is appalling but a 45 year old man in a position of power was 'stalked' by his 15 year old pupil so had no choice but to have sex with her? Jesus fucking Christ

I have a 15 yo DS, and whilst he looks quite mature he is still very much a child. If a 39 year old woman took a romantic interest in him it would be horrific.

Don't worry, wait until he's 16, then bring it to MN where the rank and file posters will be telling you

(a) its legal
(b) age is no number when compared to love
(c) provide shit loads of anecdotal romantic stories about their own toys boys
(d) tell you their parents have been married for 47 years with the same age gap

ad infinitum

I think people have to be sensible over all of this Courtney. The law is there to protect the vulnerable. But there will always be exceptions.
A girl of almost 18 who starts dating a teacher once she has left school when the teacher is maybe only 3-5 years older is a very different situation to a 12 year old being groomed online by a paedo aged 50 and whose only intention was sex.

When people are over 18 they are free to make any choices they want. Even if what some people consider an inappropriate relationship began slightly prior to them being 18, they can still walk away from it.

All the Macron marriage does it show how there is a wide range of relationships out there which don't fit our stereotypes and conditioning.

Unfortunately older women with younger men always come in for some stick because it's considered unsavoury whereas people think it's fine for men to marry women 25 years their junior. (I'm talking generally not of Macron.)

A selfish act from her point of view as in pursuing him into a relationship, prevented him having biological children.

The word for sexual attraction to a pubescent child is hebephilia when the child is 11-14 or Ephebophilia for 15-19.

She's not a paedophile or any other sort of phile.

If she was, she'd have ditched Emannuel Macron for someone younger. Instead, she's remained in a committed relationship with him for two decades.

Leave the woman alone.

(Spelling emphasised).

They did nothing sexual until it was lawful. So no, she isn't.

If he wanted biological children or wants them now they could do that - they just need a donated egg.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-brigitte-trogneux-partner-affair-teacher-kiss-on-cheek-sixteen-school-play-a7710561.html

Link to a synopsis about their relationship. I think Brigitte is a very single minded person - her eldest son is 2 years older than Macron and one of her children was in Macron's class when tongues started to wag. I can't imagine how awful it must have been for her children and how she put her feelings for Macron above her DC.

The age of consent in France is 15, but like here teachers should not have relationships with students under 18.

Some of the comments on here I suspect would be very different if the sexes were reversed I have seen other threads saying young men should be locked for having a sexual relationship with a girl who is under age even if the age gap is minimal , I honestly don't know what a grown women would see in a fifteen yr old boy no matter how extraordinary they might be .

The French electorate or at least a reasonable percentage did not see it as an issue. Though employing his wife did for Francois Fillon's chances.

It may or not be illegal but IMO it was perverted and undoubtedly an abuse of her position.

When I was at school we had a similar situation (bit less of an age gap, about 16 years) between a 6th form girl (so over the age of consent) and a male teacher. At the time we all thought it was very romantic - a forbidden love. She eventually married him and they had a family. Roll on 20 years she eventually left her emotionally abusive and controlling older husband and had extensive therapy. She is in no doubt now that she was groomed.

Polly - those are just definitions. I didn't say there weren't grey areas or degrees within them.

'Where were you yesterday Brigitte?'

'At the hospital.'

'You ok? Nothing serious I hope?'

'No, no. Just at the birth of my next husband.'