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To think Brigitte Macron is a pedophile

347 replies

INFP · 26/08/2017 02:12

Apologies if this subject has been done before. But I came across an article where Brigitte Macron describes her love affair with her then 15 year old pupil where she goes on to say "when we became lovers is our secret".

AIBU to think this woman is a pedophile?

She actively groomed her FIFTEEN year old pupil. How is she different to Jeremy Forrest who was jailed for having a relationship with his pupil?

It is beyond disgusting.

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Papafran · 26/08/2017 10:31

Coin, you said you had sex before you were even a teenager. Whether you acknowledge it or not, you were sexually abused and it has no doubt left a mark on you.

ApuskiDoo · 26/08/2017 10:32

My teacher groomed me and we had a brief 'fling'. He was 24 and I was 16.

It was wrong and I feel wrong and ashamed about it. I guess you could call it consensual but I was vulnerable and looking back it should not have happened. He was wrong.

CoinOperatedGurl · 26/08/2017 10:33

I don't think it's left a mark on me apart from teaching me from a very young age how men work. I don't look back on my experiences with regret or shame but I do wish I was more informed about things.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 10:35

"Possibly this also plays into the notion that the French and France are generally so much cooler than the boring, stuffy Brits.""

Once again (encore une fois), what BM did is also illegal in France. It is one that got away because his parents and her husband did not file a complaint.

Papafran · 26/08/2017 10:38

I don't think it's left a mark on me apart from teaching me from a very young age how men work

It's shown you how abusers work. The fact that you were a pre-teen (ie 12 or younger) and you describe them as 'men' (suggesting they were much older) is horrifying. That is what I would call pedophilia.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 10:40

Once again (encore une fois), what BM did is also illegal in France. It is one that got away because his parents and her husband did not file a complaint

I know it is illegal. I posted the reference to the section which states that several pages earlier. I meant my comment with reference to MN posters , not French law.

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 26/08/2017 10:42

Today 10:07 CoinOperatedGurl

My eldest childs father met me when I was 15 and h was in his 30s. It was a sexual relationship. I was sexually active with older men since before my teens

You were raped.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 10:47

I'm not sorry it wasn't as if it was non-consensual (not in the legal sense as I'm now aware the legally I couldn't consent). I do think we need to worry more about the kids who are being forced and really abused. Not randy teens who willingly have sex

You weren't talking about "randy teenagers". (And I'm not buying that as an excuse for anything other than a 15/16 year old relationship)

You are talking about adults having sex with pre- teen children and underage teen children. The issue of consent simply does not exist either legally or factually in the pre-teen situation.

CoinOperatedGurl · 26/08/2017 10:47

Please don't say that. I find it incredibly insulting that you call it rape.

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 26/08/2017 10:54

Some of the taxi drivers of Rotherham and Rochdale tried to defend themselves by saying the children were "consenting" . Legally and factually it is not possible for a child to give their consent to sex. Non-consensual sex is rape. Not meant to insult or hurt you. But I am going to protect my own and others' children from people who think this is OK. It is not.

Do not normalise it in your own head or others.

BarbarianMum · 26/08/2017 10:57

Coin I don't want to insult you but i find it upsetting that you think an adult having sex with an 11/12 year old is anything but rape. Sad However you view your previous sexual activity (and if it hasn't caused you long term harm then I'm glad) it is actively dangerous for you to promote this attitude in real life. Children need protecting from predators.

SuperBeagle · 26/08/2017 11:02

It is rape coin Not liking a fact doesn't mean it's not a fact.

CoinOperatedGurl · 26/08/2017 11:11

I find it offensive as I have been a victim of rape as an adult and also as a small child.

The sex I had from 12-16 was nothing like the abuse I suffered as an adult and to call it such is imo offensive to those who were abused as children. I don't class abuse as fun and enjoyable.

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 26/08/2017 11:19

Your offense does not detract in any way from the legal fact that as a 12n year old you were not able legally to give your consent to sex. Therefore you were raped. Repeatedly stating it was fun and enjoyable is irrelevant and irresponsible.

noblegiraffe · 26/08/2017 11:26

coin grooming is where an adult takes a vulnerable child and treats them in a way that makes them believe they want sex with that adult. It's easy to do, especially with very vulnerable children such as yourself who had already suffered abuse.

It's predatory, and it's illegal. Your opinion of it is skewed by the grooming you underwent.

Nuttynoo · 26/08/2017 11:48

It's not pedophilia because pedophilia is the attraction to pre-pubescent children. It's not statutory rape because in France the age of consent is 15. It's not even a breach of duty of care because the relationship began after Mrs Macron stopped being his teacher.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 13:44

Nuttynoo, get to know the facts before you post. It is easy if you really want to know. Relationship began while they prepared for the play and he was only 16.

Nuttynoo · 26/08/2017 13:54

@Gaelle1 - I think you need to understand the facts. She didn't agree to the relationship until after she had stopped teaching.

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INFP · 26/08/2017 13:55

Are people really defending a teacher grooming a CHILD? I actually cannot believe some of the comments here, such as saying middle aged teachers getting involved with 16 year old girls was a "perk if the job". WTAF???

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StickThatInYourPipe · 26/08/2017 14:01

What the UK has is laws about the age of consent , which of course are extended to 18, where the adult is in a position of trust

Sorry not RTFT but thought I would add that this is really interesting. I didn't know that ended at 18. I just thought it was illegal to date a teacher whilst you are under their 'care'? (For want of a better word)

You have taught me something today LassWiTheDelicateAir Grin

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 14:01

Yes INFP. They are. Very weird thread.

MistressDeeCee · 26/08/2017 14:02

If she was a man the calls of "paedophile" would be loud. But she's not. It makes me cringe when she says "when we became lovers is our little secret". Yuk. Don't know the law in France but maybe it doesn't cover teacher/schoolgirl liaisions.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 14:02

Nuttynoo, "She didn't agree to the relationship until after she had stopped teaching."

I don't know where you get your info but his parents were interviewed. They asked her to leave him alone when he was 17 years old because they found out what was going on. She tearfully told them that she cannot. WTF?

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 14:06

MistressDeeCee, in France it is also illegal. She just got away with it because his parents and her husband at that time did not file a complaint. Its detournement de mineur and the age of consent isn't looked at because as the older person- drama coach, she was in the position of authority over him. They were all embarrassed of the scandal and concerned that BM would have killed herself if they file a complaint.

GreatFuckability · 26/08/2017 14:14

All I know is, when i was 15 (i turned 16 soon after, but was 15 when we met) I had a relationship with a man in his early 30s. I wasn't groomed or coerced or anything of the sort. I don't regret it and we are still friends.