To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

[Ijustwantaquietlife]

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

My DC has minor allergies, I was asked by a mum her how I got my son diagnosed so easily as her GP wouldn't diagnose her son.

I said that the allergic reaction after eating the food in question, hives, deathly white child, red eyes and more snot that I have produced in a life time were a pretty strong indicator to an medical professional that there was a food allergy.

Apparently their DC just became 'a bit unsettled and whingey'

It's people like that, that give allergy sufferers problems.

To those above who have suggested that training airline crew to deal with anaphylaxis is "the most important thing to do", it's important to realise that anaphylaxis needs a hospital crash team. Epinephrine injection (Epipens, etc) are intended merely to keep the patient's heart going for enough time to get the patient to hospital. They don't "cure" anaphylaxis.
So, of course, airline crew need to understand allergies which can produce anaphylaxis and they need to react if the affected passenger or family/friends with them can't administer the Epipen for some reason. But beyond that, all the crew can do is land the plane at the nearest airport so that an ambulance crew can get the passenger to the nearest A&E resuscitation room.

Of course they should be banned. Amazed they haven't been already.

Fresh8008 - Oh, I wish you had been present when DD had a reaction in the school hall at lunchtime, because someone else had been eating a peanut butter sandwich. I'm sure the ambulance crew called would have been most interested to hear your views.

Also - the first we knew DD had any allergy to nuts was one Boxing Day, she had just been playing with the empty Brazil Nut shells that her Dad had eaten. Her whole face erupted, eyes streaming and swollen and she experienced breathing difficulties, yet she hadn't consumed a morsel. The doctor remarked 'Thank goodness she didn't eat any, heaven only knows what might have happened'.

But of course, you are clearly the expert. So there we have it.

Evans seriously, read the thread and don't engage with it.
We're all sleepwalking into a Trumpian American chaos. CHAOS, I tell ya.

Of course they should be banned. Amazed they haven't been already.

This thread perfectly shows why there should be as there is still such total ignorance around about allergies.

Honestly, Haggis - it is beyond frustrating, isn't it? I didn't engage for a long time and sat on my hands, but my fingers were itching to say what I wanted to say.

Some people have theories, others have first-hand experience. (Which is clearly made up, according to the 'experts').
Bizarre!

"The smell of peanut/nuts does not come from the peanut protein, so reactions should not occur just because you smell peanut. Allergic reactions to peanut occur mostly when the peanut enters the body, either by licking it, tasting it or eating it.

The smell of peanut should cause no allergic reactions at all, but may make a peanut allergic person feel very uncomfortable because he or she is smelling something that is distasteful and potentially dangerous if eaten. It is likely a defense mechanism to warn the peanut-allergic person to move away from the area, in case they do get into contact with the peanut accidentally."

From that very same page (allergicliving.com/experts/can-i-react-to-the-smell-of-peanutnuts/) a bit further down...

The only exception to the above is if peanut protein itself is in the air that you breathe. If a peanut allergic person breathes enough of the peanut protein in the air, the person can have a serious allergic reaction, asthma attack or anaphylaxis.

Situations in which this are unusual but can happen. For instance, if a large number of people are opening packages of peanut at the same time – e.g. when peanut packages served on an airplane – and the peanut protein dust gets into the air in an enclosed space.

haggis
Stop calling people ignorant, when you clesrly havent done your own research. Lets ignore the fact that cross contamination or mistakes about ingredients on a plane is the problem.
Evans
Whateverh happened to your dd it could not have been from being in the same room as a peanut butter sandwich. Blindfild tests on people with peanut allergy do not react to peanut butter being waved under their nose, or even touching the skin does not cause a bad reaction. It has to cross the mucous membrane

Am surprised we have waited til 2017 to get worked up about this and have a heated debate about it. When I flew longhaul in 2005 Singapore Airlines were more than happy to announce NO NUTS on the flight as 1 person was allergic...I think they were ahead of the times lol

Surely most people could understand that when you are 33.000 feet in the air it would be reassuring to know that nothing is lurking in the air that could you know...kill you :)
You are NUTS if you don't agree with banning nuts on flights!

Whateverh happened to your dd it could not have been from being in the same room as a peanut butter sandwich. Blindfild tests on people with peanut allergy do not react to peanut butter being waved under their nose, or even touching the skin does not cause a bad reaction. It has to cross the mucous membrane

Link please.

I have watched my child react to peanut butter on her skin with my own eyes.

Surely most people could understand that when you are 33.000 feet in the air it would be reassuring to know that nothing is lurking in the air that could you know...kill you

You'd think, wouldn't you
According to some these allergies don't exist though, despite hearing first hand experiences. Hasn't happened to them, so isn't real.
Apparently.
This thread showing why a ban is definitely needed. So much ignorance out there.

it's not my problem

And this attitude is exactly why we have so many fucked up things happening in the world.

It's a fucking peanut, get over yourself.

Blindfild tests on people with peanut allergy do not react to peanut butter being waved under their nose, or even touching the skin does not cause a bad reaction. It has to cross the mucous membrane

Last time I did a study on noses and nasal cavities, they do actually contain a lining of mucous membrane, thus breathing in allergen-containing oils would affect the mucous membrane? I'm not an expert, though. And I just know my daughter was greatly affected.

But does my opinion count for anything? Just first-hand experience. Oh, and the opinions of all the medical staff. But what do they know? Obviously nothing at all.

Stop calling people ignorant, when you clesrly havent done your own research

Yeah, 'cos actually SEEING it happen,having it to happen to you, isn't real. Ookay.
You stick to your research and hope you never find out yourself for real.

But does my opinion count for anything? Just first-hand experience. Oh, and the opinions of all the medical staff. But what do they know? Obviously nothing at all.

It's obvious on this thread that if "Dr Google" doesn't have any links, then it doesn't exist.
Gawd knows what they did before Dr Google was invented. Maybe nothing at all existed back then, as it wasn't around to tell us that it didn't.

Let's also get rid of wheelchair access ramps, the Braille dots on lift buttons, subtitles / the signing interpreters in the bottom of the screen, in fact; any interpreters, blue badge parking, lifts and escalators...

Yep, I agree. Pesky disabled/blind people, definitely getting ahead of themselves and making us pander to them.
Oh, wait...

Right someone tell me as iv never flown before, if the crew are notified that a passenger has a allergy and they then go ahead and announce on speaker to all passengers,would they STILL then go on and sell the nuts??
What I mean is if no one has an allergy and no one has taken the precautions to announce surely it's ok to sell them. But of course if there is an announcement then they should not be sold and others should not eat them. Why would this be such a difficult thing for people to accept? Or am I missing something?

The nature of allergies means that person a will not have the same reaction to the same food as persons b,c d e and f. My daughter hasn't yet reacted to airbourne nuts. But she might in the future. When she was tiny, she could eat egg cooked in cakes. Now she can't.

Just because it hasn't happened to her, does not mean that I don't believe the many people on this thread it has happened to, or my friends son who it has happened to.

And, like my daughter, if a person suffers from multiple, severe food allergies I would strongly suggest that they take their own food onto a plane. This is taking responsibility for your own health. This is an entirely different issue to banning the sale or service of peanuts on a plane which as stated many times on this thread, has caused people to have allergic reactions.

No you have it right jamy

If no one is allergic to peanuts on the plane then peanuts can be eaten

If there is a person with an allergy on the plane unless they have scientific proof ideally from 3 scientists including peer related evidence

Then they can get fucked

(Obviously being a bit sarky here)

There have been excellent, well thought out posts from both sides of this issue so far on the thread

And then there have been some which are errrrm, how to i say this?, nuts!!!!

I'm completely baffled as to why anyone would have an issue with nuts being banned from flights. There are lots of other things that can be eaten, and it might just save a life. As a minimum it would reduce stress for nut allergy sufferers. Having a nut allergy must be terrifying.

Jamy
Some high cost airlines hand out bags of nuts with the drinks.
Most do not.
Incidence of crew being involved with allergic reaction medical emergencies is 265 out of 725,000,000 passengers.

Not having the crew give out nuts is simple and done more and more (profit margins mainly)

Stopping people bringing their own nuts on board is darned near impossible - especially on flights that do not provide free food.

The multiple of anecdote is not evidence.
The evidence is that allergic reactions are not a risk worth bringing in a ban.
Anecdotes from MN posters do not change the evidence.

So really its just a case of, if there is an announcement no nuts should be consumed (fair enough) and if not then fine?
Why isn't that understandable? That's pretty clear?
I'm lost
I don't particularly like nuts but I most certainly wouldn't eat any if I heard this announcement!
Basically If you hear no announcement then cool eat what you want? If you do try not to ?
It's simple isn't it?

As a minimum it would reduce stress for nut allergy sufferers
No it doesnt, you should still behave as if nuts aee present, and it does nothing for other allergies as it makes out only peanut allergies are important