To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

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Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

@Allthebestnamesareused Epi pens don't always work.

I love nuts but it's hardly a hardship to go without them for a couple of hours. I absolutely think that they should be banned on airplanes as an allergy sufferer can't remove themselves from the situation.

god people trout out the anaphylaxis group every single bloody time anyone mentions allgergies you do know in 2002 they recomened everyone who was deadly allegic have small amounts regualy to see if they were still allegic without medical attention (aka in a hospital setting) and adving people that this would build up tolarence to the allgien it was bloody dangerous at the time as people used them as gossipal.

Nuts espically dry roasted are AIR BORN much more then dairy and gluten espically dryroasted release 1000s of tiny particals when you open packets where as dairy and bloody gluten do not yes both allgies can kill but one is much harder to prevent contamintion then the other.

If dary products realesed the same levels of airborn particaulers i would also be saying that but they dont (the airborn particles get everywhere and are easily ingested by the suffer.

There was a rumour that it was due to a particular nipple cream in the 1980's that had peanut oil in which was giving babies exposure to peanut antigens. I don't know how true that is, probably not very.

Interesting, if it's something like that then i guess it's a temporary thing effecting a few generations.

DS used to love peanut butter as a baby

Surely if you know you have an allergy you'd carry your epi pen/medication

She did use her epipen, unfortunately it wasn't effective at managing the anaphylaxis.

I don't know about a full ban all the time, but if there is someone on board with a severe allergy then banning them is totally reasonable. To be honest I personally never eat nuts in an enclosed space, but I have a close friend with severe allergies so I am probably more aware than most.

Ricky Gervais does a comedy routine about this in his Humanity Tour and it is actually quite amusing.

He does a routine where someone despite making it very clear is allergic to nuts gets fed them, they use their EpiPen and it doesn't work, so they suffer permanent brain damage and unable to talk again...and it's hilarious

She wasn't on a plane though. What happened to her is horrific and my absolute worst nightmare.

My dd is anaphylactic to peanuts and we have flown a lot. We take our own food for her and clean the tray ourselves. None of the airlines we have flown with (all long haul) have made an announcement or banned nuts.

I think a lot of the misunderstanding comes about because people think epipens reverse/cure the reaction.

I am genuinely suprised that anyone has been served nuts on a plane in recent years. It is usually a small bag of pretzels or similar.

My sister has felt the start of an allergic reaction when sat near someone in a theatre eating nuts - in a theatre you can move away and the air isn't "recycled" like it is on a plane.

Surely if you know you have an allergy you'd carry your epi pen/medication.

Using an epipen doesn't make you 'better' it simply stops you dying, in the same way as performing CPR doesn't mean someone becomes immediately conscious and well again.

After using an epipen my cousin was kept in hospital for over a week.

There are three types of anaphylaxis:

Uniphasic - symptoms come quickly, but go away with treatment.

Bi-phasic - symptoms come and go, so treatment is administered, patient gets better, then symptoms come back (and bear in mind, those symptoms include swelling of the throat -> suffocation).

Protracted - can last for several days, and require constant medical attention in hospital.

I think a lot of the misunderstanding comes about because people think epipens reverse/cure the reaction.

Yep. That's why the instructions say call 999 when taking it, in case the pen doesnt work.

"There was a rumour that it was due to a particular nipple cream in the 1980's that had peanut oil in which was giving babies exposure to peanut antigens. I don't know how true that is, probably not very." not true at all. In fact the thought process is that it's because of a lack of exposure to nut products during pregnancy/early life hence why the nut advice in pregnancy has now changed to suggest that women should eat nut products in order to expose their babies to them.

And if nuts should be banned then so should dairy, bananas, kiwi fruit, all of which carry potential for severe allergic reactions.

And obviously the banning of nuts means the need to ban all nut based products, so no chocolate bars permitted on flights either, that should take care of some of the dairy as well.

People talk easily about a wish to ban for nuts because as a general rule most people aren't actually that affected by the lack of a packet of peanuts in their daily routine. But no-one would uphold a similar ban on dairy products which can also have the same kinds of reactions, because it would be much harder to expect people to go without cheese for instance, or dairy based spreads, or to request that babies not be fed milk on a plane, and yet the life of the dairy allergic person is surely just as valid as that of the nut-allergic one? And if not, why not?

As tragic as this was, this lady suffered an allergy at a restaurant not a plane. She had her epipen with her and it didn't work - tragic but this is a calculated risk an adult with severe allergies takes everytime they eat out.

The child with a severe allergy on the plane often has no choice in being on the plane, and then no choice about who will bring nuts on the plane. If they have a scent allergy it often means they have to rely on the good will of other passengers not to eat peanuts and as is clear on this thread, most of the time that good will is often not there. Airlines have to remove peanuts (and I say wheat and milk) products from sale on planes.

Yes they should be banned.
An airplane is a totally different situation than anywhere else. There is no where to go. No ambulances ten minutes away.
I'd happily not eat nuts for that time Plenty of other foods available.

They should also be banned in airports. Eventually it would become like smoking. People will accept it's not done.

epi-pens are work around 90-95% of the time you do know that right its not a cure or a sure methord to stop the reaction.

Even if it does work it can cause massive brain damage and other major side effects you are part of the problem that minizes the god damn danger of allgies.

You would risk killing my child jsut because you wanted some nuts with your drink you are bloody selfish those annocuements are there for a reason.

Dont be like the bloody bitch who sat in the row in front of my child who opened a packet of nuts after being asked not too by the annocument and my son nearly died plane was diverted and it TOOK ALL MY WILL POWER NOT TO BEAT THE CRAP out of her, we then spent 2 weeks in hospital because the epipen side effects and we could not legally do anything agaisnt the selfish cunt of a women who laughed as my son faught for his life.

Sorry for the language it really annoys me when people do not realise the dangers of this and saying nut bans cause a false sense of sercutiry no the allow someone with a deadly allgery to lead as normal life as possible, we had 3 parents in his school complain about nut bans and kept sneaking in nuts so the school introduced a bloody lunch box screening or that my son would have had to be taken out of school because a PFB could do without nutilla or nuts for 1 meal of the day.

Oh and some flights are thinking of banning alcohol too so bang goes that G&T

This is going to go the same way as nut free schools. It's amazing how uppity people get because they either think it's a fictitious allergy as they don't know anyone with it or their child's need for a peanut butter sandwich or a lack of peanuts for themselves trumps someone with an allergy.

I've had to administer an epi pen to a friend who had a reaction and to a child at nursery and it was an awful experience. I'd hate to have to administer it while up in the air and have to hope it works first time.

The child was at nursery and were but free but one parent couldn't get their head round it and because their child loves almonds so much, she put some in her daughter's pocket as a treat. She wasn't even sorry.

yep nuts should be banned on flights. If we can ban bottles of water over a certain size then we can ban nuts.

Even with an EpiPen the person still.needs medical attention. Easier said than done on a plane potentially hours away from the nearest medic.

What a tragic story.

I've wondered for years why nuts haven't been banned on planes.

Im not saying nuts shouldnt be banned on planes, however this ladies condition has nothing to do with being on a plane, she was in a restaurant.

ban nuts but as importantly ban alcohol both on the plane and in the airport