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"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." Trump threads continued [title edited by MNHQ]

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lionheart · 18/08/2017 23:43

I'm paying attention.

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lionheart · 20/08/2017 15:20

Some figures while we wait. Wink

Mark Murray‏Verified account @mmurraypolitics 1h1 hour ago
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New NBC/Marist polls of MI/PA/WI:

Trump's approval rating among reg voters
MI: 36%
PA: 35%
WI: 34%

(Aug 13-17, MOE +/- 3.5%)

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PerkingFaintly · 20/08/2017 15:22

Yeah, sorry, I know it's irritating to be cryptic. I want to put down a marker in advance, so I can be sure later I'm not constructing things in hindsight. But it might turn out to be absolutely nothing, and I really don't want to start a false trail.

Just ignore me for now!

orlantina · 20/08/2017 15:24

Back to North Korea

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-us-nuclear-war-donald-trump-military-drills-kim-jong-un-south-korea-merciless-strike-a7902996.html

North Korea has threatened to unleash a "merciless strike" on American territory ahead of joint US-South Korea military drills.

Pyongyang warned the exercises, due to begin on Monday, were "reckless behaviour driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war".

Thousands of troops will take part in 10 days of military simulations, designed to prepare American and South Korean forces for conflict with North Korea, amid heightened tensions in the peninsula.

lionheart · 20/08/2017 15:33

Not irritating at all Perking. Honestly. Smile

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cozietoesie · 20/08/2017 15:35

Really Honestly. Grin

'President Mattis needs us'. Smile

Oh Dear. Did I mistakenly give him a title he doesn't have? Grin

lionheart · 20/08/2017 15:37

A trickle of more numbers.

I think you have a better sense than I of how these can/can't be read cozie.

www.politico.com/story/2017/08/20/trump-pennsylvania-michigan-wisconsin-polls-241836

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AcrossthePond55 · 20/08/2017 15:43

Hey Perking! About your intel.....do I need to pack the trailer and get ready to head for the hills or put some champagne on ice? GrinWink

cozietoesie · 20/08/2017 15:45

Just keep ice ready for the Gin, Across. There's a long way to go on this.Wink

cozietoesie · 20/08/2017 15:46

Not so, lion. Interesting figures though. Smile

PerkingFaintly · 20/08/2017 15:58

I'd have the champagne regardless, Across. You don't want to head for hills leaving it undrunk,Shock surely! Shocking waste!

cozietoesie · 20/08/2017 16:10
Grin
MicrowaveSpy · 20/08/2017 16:21

Trumps tweets from yesterday are quite...bizarre.

Pre-medication and post medication ?
Did Ivanka run into the room shaking her head saying "Daddy no, you can't tweet that!"

BiglyBadgers · 20/08/2017 16:26

Breitbart story of the day...Grin

Breitbart apologises after using picture of Lukas Podolski on jet-ski in story about migrant gangs
www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/breitbart-lukas-podolski-picture-migrant-jet-ski-donald-trump-steve-bannon-a7903531.html?amp

BiglyBadgers · 20/08/2017 16:39

Just read this WaPo article interviewing 6 of the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville. I think it captures the fact that these people come from a range of different backgrounds and have a variety of reasons for there political choices.

The road to hate: For six young men, Charlottesville is only the beginning
www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/social-issues/the-road-to-hate-for-six-young-men-of-the-alt-right-charlottesville-is-only-the-beginning/2017/08/19/cd1a3624-8392-11e7-b359-15a3617c767b_story.html

BiglyBadgers · 20/08/2017 16:39

There = their Blush

newroundhere · 20/08/2017 17:11

Thanks for those stats Bigly, also interesting reading. I can't read the Washington post article, does it say anything about education levels as a factor? I seem to think that was a clear driver in the Brexit polls.

With regards to the income levels, I wonder if there is an urban vs. rural poor element?

badbadhusky · 20/08/2017 17:12

Has Bigly killed the thread with sloppy spelling or has everyone donned their tinfoil hats & spent the weekend poring over recent coverage to try and crack Perking's tease?

badbadhusky · 20/08/2017 17:13

Hahahaha - xposted with New.

badbadhusky · 20/08/2017 17:14

afternoon, not weekend

lionheart · 20/08/2017 17:29

I have entered a spelling dispute with a stranger on twitter.

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lionheart · 20/08/2017 17:30

It's a slow day. Wink

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BiglyBadgers · 20/08/2017 17:32

It doesn't say anything specific about education, but of the 6 profiled in the piece most lack college education and those that attended college talk about no feeling the fitted in either due to coming from a rural area or because of their right wing views. At least 2 said it was at college that they really became radicalised and see themselves as being in opposition to what they saw as a dominant liberal discourse.

I think, like Brexit, education is a factor. If nothing else education leaves you more able to sift out fake news and alternative history. I seem to remember seeing something that said on the whole people who were exposed to a wide range of cultures were less likely to be racist, which could also explain to some degree why people in cities are generally more open.

This article by Laurie Penny is from February, but I found it very interesting in seeing some of the guys drawn to the "alt-right" brand of white supremacists. After Charlottesville she wrote another article in which she said she now felt she had been too sympathetic in the article, but I still think it is a good read personally.

ON THE MILO BUS WITH THE LOST BOYS OF AMERICA’S NEW RIGHT
psmag.com/news/on-the-milo-bus-with-the-lost-boys-of-americas-new-right

lionheart · 20/08/2017 17:33

The Trumps have a plan.

thinkprogress.org/republicans-want-to-stop-talking-about-white-supremacists-so-they-can-cut-taxes-for-rich-people-75fd848c68d7/

It may not turn out as expected.

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PerkingFaintly · 20/08/2017 17:45

Oh goodness, please don't expend any effort on my post. It wasn't meant to be a tease - just a knot in my hankie so I'll know I wasn't dreaming.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 20/08/2017 17:48

Afternoon/Evening all - offline life took over for most of today Smile

Maggie Haberman linked to this.
Do you think Trump would be capable of understanding or empathising with even one word of this? I like the sound of Kelly but can I forgive him for getting into bed with the fat orange one?

A must read eulogy by General Kelly, just 4 days after his son was killed in action
usmclife.com/2016/12/must-read-eulogy-general-kelly-just-4-days-son-killed-action/

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