There will be no progress until we name the problem

[TinyRick]

worldnewstrust.com/there-will-be-no-progress-until-we-name-the-problem-mickey-z

AIBU to think this article should be shared far and wide?

There is a real problem with Male Violence being swept under the carpet and not addressed fully on news sites and papers.

If we don't say what it actually plainly is then we can't address the real problem.

So the fact that it's almost entirely men committing violence is totally irrelevant is it Penggwn? Should we also ignore the fact that the majority of lung cancer sufferers are smokers? Are you against all sorts of statistics or just ones that you'd rather ignore?

How can I be taught how not to fall victim to violence please??

How bloody stupid

EgregiousPeach Fucking hell I must have missed that blatant victim blaming.

That's shocking, not surprising, but shocking nonetheless.

Agree completely, OP. I started a thread in feminism months ago about how keen the papers are to link terrorism to Islam but how violence in general -including terrorism- is never explicitly linked to men.
I don't know what we can do about it though. The odd female journalist has tried to highlight it, and the comments below the articles from angry men are outrageous. I don't know what can be done about it when the people in a position to change things are generally men who are reasonably happy with the status quo.

Of course you can be taught how not to fall victim to violence Mum! You just have to cover yourself from head to foot, stop driving, don't work, never go out alone, never run for office or do anything that ever gets you noticed.

Of course if you experience violence at home then that's entirely your own fault.

'I am not saying we should ignore the correlation'

Ah so you accept the fact that the vast majority of violence is carried out by men?

Penggwn by putting male and female violence in the same category and labeling them as 'equally bad', you are downplaying the problem massively. 2 men a week are not murdered by their partner or former partner. 90% of those in prison for violent crime are not female. Those women who do murder their partners often do so because they 'snap' due to years of sustained abuse. Do not pretend that male and female violence are the same.

Women are still not equal in this country, let alone across the globe. Saying male and female violence is an equal problem is similar to saying 'racism against whites is as bad as racism against blacks'. It is not, because white people have always been the dominant race. Just as men have always historically oppressed women.

Yup, you always get this.

Of course you do. Because it's a valid argument.

If you take any set of behaviours and try to blame a whole set of people for it based on the cards they were dealt at conception irrespective of whether they do that behaviour or not then its going to get peoples backs up. Why should innocent men be expected to take the blame just because they are men?

Its not men denying there is a problem, it's men not wanting to be judged for something just because they are men.

TinyRick- just outrageous blatant victim blaming.
ridiculous comment

That article turned my stomach.

Of course it's male violence. I hadn't thought of it like that before but that's what it is. No one calls it that though do they?

Why should innocent men be expected to take the blame just because they are men?

It's a problem for all innocent men that the majority of thugs and rapists and murderers and warmongers are men.

If you take any set of behaviours and try to blame a whole set of people for it based on the cards they were dealt at conception irrespective of whether they do that behaviour or not then its going to get peoples backs up. Why should innocent men be expected to take the blame just because they are men?

For fucks sake. So we should just ignore/gloss over that the overwhelming majority of physical and sexual violence is committed by men? That is not relevant because it might offend men who are not violent? It's a pure coincidence that nearly all violent offenders happen to be male? It could have nothing at all to do with culture and socialisation?

Trouble is Flying a lot of those innocent men are supportive of the system as they benefit from it. they don't challenge misogyny, they happily watch filmed rape, they raise their sons and daughters differently. If you read the article it tells men what they can do.

'I am not saying we should ignore the correlation. But we treat people with lung cancer with cancer drugs, not smokers. We don't tell the non-smokers with lung cancer that they don't have a problem because they don't smoke. Horses, not zebras.'

Yes, we treat lung cancer with cancer drugs. But we don't ignore the fact that there is a very high correlation between smoking and cancer.

Equally we 'treat' violence with the various sanctions that we have, regardless of whether the perpetrator is male or female. But at the same time we can acknowledge, examine and tackle the fact that the vast majority of perpetrators are men.

To be honest I don't give a flying fuck if men feel aggrieved about being blamed. You know what, I'd love to be in a position where I was being asked to tackle violence instead of being the potential target of violence.

85,000 women are raped by men every year. Woman have between a 1 in 5 and 1 in 4 chance of being sexually assaulted over their lifetime. And men are annoyed that we notice that it's men who do this???????????????????????

COME THE FUCK ON!!!!!

All men benefit under the system, they need to challenge it.

Could we make generalised statements that black men are some of the most deprived and violent people in the world out as statistically they commit more crimes per captia in the western world then others and most of the worlds current attroicths be it genocide slavery (look at pgympy people of congo) and mass murder are committed on the continet of Africa......

Oh wait thats racist cannot have that lets broaden it to all males instead.

Or lets call all women thevies because statistically they commit higherv% of shop lifting benefits fraud and trust abuse (aka stealing from vulnerable people) oh wait cant do that ether...

Collidoscope I agree. Which is why I shared this article written by a man in the hope that it might actually have some weight behind it for the naysayers and the ostriches and the 'lalalaa' hand over the ears type.

So it's interesting to see that people still Just. Don't. Get. It

What really astonishes me is how well men have trained women not to question this, that women themselves will defend men, even in the face of absolutely enormous amounts of violence. Men will stand by and literally do nothing, while women fight for legislation change, set up shelters and defend men from any accusation of wrongdoing. It's a huge success for violent men and I can't help but be impressed.

The prison service seem aware of this as there are a lot more prison places for men and there's a young offenders round my way just for lads.

Not all men are violent, but of the violence perpetratrated in the world, most of it is by men. Yes, we do hear of reprehensible acts carried out by women but these are few and far between in the grand scheme of things. To suggest otherwise is not only stupid, but dangerous and an insult to all women and girls.