There will be no progress until we name the problem

[TinyRick]

worldnewstrust.com/there-will-be-no-progress-until-we-name-the-problem-mickey-z

AIBU to think this article should be shared far and wide?

There is a real problem with Male Violence being swept under the carpet and not addressed fully on news sites and papers.

If we don't say what it actually plainly is then we can't address the real problem.

'I suppose we can recognise it, name it..... and what next?'

Deal with it? Get to the root of why so many men use violence to get what they want. Make all violent behaviour entirely unacceptable. Stop blaming victims of violence for the behaviour of the men that attacked them. Just for a start.

Yep, clear enough to me too. Some posters are just being deliberately obtuse. Not sure why, with it being such a serious subject.

'It isn't pointless at all. My point is that violence - largely - springs from the cross-section of the capability and will to perpetrate violence, not from being male. My DH has ever hit anyone in his life; he is a man. I have hit people; I am a woman. There is a correlation between violence and men but the problem isn't men, it is the desire to do violence, wherever that exists.'

Desire to do violence is a problem yes, but it just so happens that men have the desire to do violence and the opportunity and ability to do it also, so they are the problem. It is a fact that over 80% of violence is carried out by men.

Perfectly clear, the chap who wrote the article even gives clear instructions about how men can change their behaviour.

YADNBU, great article which should be shared widely.

When you see all those facts bundled together it is actually quite chilling.

Here is an example which is quite typical of news coverage.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/17/we-didnt-recognise-that-he-was-dangerous-our-father-killed-our-mother-and-sister

The police told the brothers not to read press coverage of the attack. Luke read nothing for months, but Ryan was able to avoid it for only a few days. He was shocked to find reports that were sympathetic towards his father.The SunandDaily Telegraphquoted locals who described Lance as “a nice guy”, whilethe Daily Express reportedthat he was “a DIY nut”. The Daily Mail spoke to others who described Hart as “always caring”. In every report, there was speculation that the prospect of divorce “drove” Lance to murder, and little mention or description of Claire or Charlotte.

We only have to look at the history books to see the problem isn't the tiny percentage that is female violence

I think if women were physically a lot stronger we would see just as much female-on-male violence

That is complete rubbish. Men are mainly violent towards each other- that is more common than male on female violence. So they attack people of equal strength. Surely if women were just as inclined to be violent, they would attack other women or children? Although some women do do this, it is a small minority compared to the men who attack other men, women, and children.

The fact is that the vast majority of violence is perpetrated by males. Pretending that women are just as bad helps no one and just covers up the problem.

But the "people with the desire to do violence" are overwhelmingly, across the globe, men. Could we not call them men, as they are...men?

'No. Men are not the problem. The problem is the people with the desire to do violence, if they have the ability to do so. '

The people with the desire to do violence and the ability to do so are men.

OP I don't know if you've been living under a rock, but the "male violence" narrative is the prevailing one. It's constantly crowed about by people like you on MN, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and their amplifiers in the media. It is mainstream.

And more's the pity. Because it's so idiotic and reductive that it obscures actual realities. That some men are more likely to be violent than other men, that some women are more likely to be victims than other women. That, if we used data and evidence about who, why, where and what, we could be teaching people how to avoid falling victim to violence.

And yes I did read your dreadful article, which contains such progressive, meaningless horseshit solutions such as "Identify. Unlearn. Evolve. (Each day, every day.)" I recommend others don't bother.

Desire to do violence is a problem yes, but it just so happens that men have the desire to do violence and the opportunity and ability to do it also, so they are the problem. It is a fact that over 80% of violence is carried out by men

But this is the problem with the whole argument. You're tarring all men with the same brush.

There's plenty of non violent examples in that article

How do we excuse those away then?

I work in a traditionally male dominated environment.... it's shocking how us females there are treated. But more shocking that the behaviour is that the males don't see anything wrong with it!!

'But this is the problem with the whole argument. You're tarring all men with the same brush'

I was wondering how long it would take for this argument to come out. At no point did I say all men are violent. What I did say is practically all the violent people in the world are men.

Ok scatter.... refer us to some more acceptable literature then?

scatter male violence isn't talked about main stream at all, though the issue is raised by well informed feminists.

Male violence is excused, men who murder their daughters and wives in this country have their crimes excused.

scatter oh, I'm sorry. Do actual government and national statistics lie?

Nothing to see here, folks!

Thats certainly not how it reads Sparrowhawk.

Apparently you cannot name the obvious because it is unpalatable and needs to be tucked away behind a wall of bullshit mithering.

we could be teaching people how to avoid falling victim to violence

Or perhaps we could be focussing on teaching people not to perpetrate violence

But this is the problem with the whole argument. You're tarring all men with the same brush

Yup, you always get this. Always. No, not all of them are violent, but men are overwhelmingly the ones perpetrating the violence and we live in a society and culture where this is normalised. Only relatively recently did it become illegal to rape your wife, domestic violence is often swept under the carpet, we say things like 'boys will be boys' to excuse violence and fighting among young boys. Men and boys are encouraged to be aggressive and assertive- women and girls are not and are often vilified if they display these traits. We might like to pretend that society has moved on significantly, but I wonder if this is true when a huge number of people glorify sexually violent men (e.g. Donald Trump). We have disgusting websites like Unilad where young men encourage each other to rape women. This is all normalised as 'banter' and women who complain about it are vilified.

When Alan Hawe murdered his wife and three children in Ireland (he butchered them with a knife, cutting the hands they put up to protect themselves) the first articles in the newspapers talked about what a lovely person he was and how liked he was in the community. Does that sound like recognising male violence?? It was only when feminists pointed out how seriously fucked up it was to call a man that sliced open his children a lovely person that suddenly it was recognised that perhaps he wasn't so great after all.

If you'd really like to be hit in the face with it, take a look at how many women have been killed by men over the last few years: kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

What's your problem with naming the problem Penggwn don't you want the world to be a better place? You can only solve a problem if you identify it, the problem is really clear but there has to be a desire to improve too, that can only happen if people stop putting their head in the sand.