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Is there another internet?

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Fantasyfumble · 16/08/2017 22:54

Some weirdo I met on a dating site claimed he used a different internet to what everyone else uses

Kinda paranoid he may have been able to snoop on me snooping on him . Googling potential dates is normal right?! I thought everyone did it and just didn't admit it

But why would he say that? Could he have been?

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MsLexicon · 17/08/2017 10:12

The only thing I know about the Dark web is a an ex friend of mine' partner used to go on it and download movies. Has to be said he was an ex cocaine smuggler ( and complete arsehole).
Anyways suited, her as they were both narcissistic drama queens.

functionAndMethod · 17/08/2017 10:19

Whinesalot

They actually spend quite a while looking for it and when they are searching is when they're most likely to be caught or leave a trail.

Would you know how to access a chatroom or fileshare on IRC or find out the owner of a website? Would you know where to find abusive images or buy legal highs? All of this is done on the 'regular' internet.

People value their privacy for many reasons. Think about all the name changes and 'potentially outing' stuff people leave out of AIBU posts. At worse, we would know who they are yet it's still treated as some huge secret.

I don't have many privacy concerns and this is (roughly) my area of expertise. I don't care if Waitrose and Google collaborate and send me deals on Merlot every Saturday or if my phone can tell me what time I'll be home (it's worked out 'home' based on where it is overnight most of the time).

I think there are bugs on the site at the moment. My 'watching' and 'I'm on' were empty yesterday.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/08/2017 10:28

Is warfarin a bad comparison? Maybe. Don't be afraid of stuff you don't understand though.

Along comes another company who sells the same medication but in patch form, much more convenient and cheaper but the only thing is they get to rummage around in your handbag while youre picking it up, and starts spreading the disinformation that people who take warfarin in pill form are nefarious for some reason

PricklyBall · 17/08/2017 10:29

Innocuous reasons for using Tor:
How one woman hid her pregnancy from big data. It's an article about a sociology professor in the states who used her pregnancy as a chance to experiment on the lengths you'd have to go to in order to avoid all those annoying unsolicited e-mails/targeted ads about pregnancy products.

Big data really does get everywhere. It would be interesting to know how many people on this thread realise that in google's terms and conditions for a gmail account you give permission for google to use your e-mails - not just your address books, not just the header information to do traffic analysis (to find out, on behalf of their paying clients, how many of those targeted ads do you as non-paying user, aka "the product" to be farmed for marketing information, actually respond to, for instance), but the actual content of the emails.

The stuff you wrote to Auntie Flo about your piles -gmail can access that message and target you with ads for haemorrhoid cream. The time you were at rock bottom and e-mailed your oldest and bestest friend about feeling suicidal and she spent a whole evening exchanging messages while she talked you down - gmail can access that and target you with ads for prozac (bit pointless in this country with the NHS, far from pointless in the US where patients are encouraged to ask their doctors for specific medicines), that message where you talked to your sister about your DH's erectile dysfunction - gmail can read that and target you with ads for viagra.

I've watched it happen in real time (very innocuous example - I was chatting to a friend over the other side of the Atlantic about our days at work, we are both scientists - suddenly a targetted ad for an incredibly specific piece of experimental kit popped up, which could only have been there on the basis of our conversation).

The threat to privacy comes not just from government, but from big business. And with everything becoming more connected - you need a gmail account to log onto youtube, need a facebook account to verify your identity on some other apps, etc. etc. Now google etc. would argue that you're supposedly "voluntarily" signing your privacy away by not reading the 60 pages of small print terms and conditions before clicking the "I agree" button. But given the ever-increasing interconnectedness of the online world and the things we now need online access for (banking, tax returns, airline bookings), it's not hard to envisage a future where the choice is "sign away your privacy" or "go off grid and live in a cave."

VladmirsPoutine · 17/08/2017 10:29

This is a bit of an odd thread. I agree that people are getting rather hysterical about the dark web. Nothing nefarious about it, in and of itself.

PlinkyTheFairyWitch · 17/08/2017 11:20

Big data really does get everywhere.

Absolutely. Rule of thumb - if it's free, you are the product. Everyone has to work out to what extent they're cool with that.

functionAndMethod · 17/08/2017 11:48

Very true Plinky.

The thing is, I'm a pretty boring person; sell me like a kipper!

The first time my computer told me my commute would be delayed because of road works I was horrified as I hadn't told it where I lived or worked. Then I realised it was actually fucking brilliant.

The same with a thermostat working out what time I usually get home and having the house at the right temp. The internet of things, pervasive technology, my habits being used to make my life incredibly convenient? Bring it on. If the price I pay is Zuckerberg knowing my plans for next Sunday then I'm happy with that.

Some who work in tech are paranoid. In my experience, most understand that you can't fight it and accept it realising that we're likely to be long dead before an authoritarian regime is in power in the UK.

OutToGetYou · 17/08/2017 12:06

Probably 90% of people on the dark web are at GCHQ

waves to the nice people :)

PlinkyTheFairyWitch · 17/08/2017 12:37

Well, I bleedin' hate ads so Adblock with gay abandon. But FB is getting unusable due to them these days, so I use it less. I also amuse myself occasionally by blocking each and every advertiser Twitter, Pinterest et al throw at me.

Thing is, for my work I have to research an awful lot of disparate stuff. A typical day can range from military tank manufacturers to breath mints. Lord knows what Big Data makes of me Grin

I do worry about UKGov's censorial tendencies though. Why did Dave have to know if I wanted to watch porn? They also don't need access to my online bank accounts, nor do they seem to have any kind of handle on how t'internet actually works.

BananasAreGood · 17/08/2017 12:57

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OnionKnight · 17/08/2017 13:01

I can only assume by another internet he means either the deep web or the dark web neither of which your regular joe blogs can find they are hard to find.

It's not hard to find at all.

You know nothing.

LuLuuuuuuu · 17/08/2017 13:08

functionanmethod . No I am not fucking high and no I am not taking the piss .
Random words ? WTF are YOU on more like !!

Goady Fucker

squoosh · 17/08/2017 13:14

Well I’ve enjoyed this education on what the dark web actually is.

I assumed it was purely for the dodgies.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 17/08/2017 13:22

functionAndMethod I'm not "pretending" to know anything, I do know about it. Please adjust your attitude; it is not acceptable to be so condescending and patronising, nor to think you yourself knows everything while everyone else knows nothing.

Skarossinkplunger · 17/08/2017 13:24

The ignorance on here about the dark web is laughable.

Violetcharlotte · 17/08/2017 13:30

Sounds like the dark web. If he's in a tech based or IT job he'll know all about it. It's easier enough to access, you download the Tor browser. What you need to know is why he's using it. Some IT people who are paranoid about security use it as it means their browsing is completely private.

manhowdy · 17/08/2017 13:32

Skarossinkplunger

So is the smugness.

Cocklodger · 17/08/2017 13:34

I don't think I'm being mean for laughing at the "ignorance" of posters.
Ignorance is ok - to an extent.
Saying
"I don't know much about the dark web but it doesn't sound great" is fine. It does sound quite ominous.
Saying
"Only paedos and baby eaters use the dark web, RUUUUN" is offensive and yes, pretty fucking laughable.

Cocklodger · 17/08/2017 13:35

I've not seen any smugness here - just people who are amused/offended/annoyed at being indirectly called a paedo, weirdo, creep, druggy or paranoid person Man

VladmirsPoutine · 17/08/2017 13:38

The dark web isn't full of child raping, drug selling hitmen. They do exist in certain areas but it's a fallacious ideaologue.

With the know-how you can gain access within 10mins. It will be stifling for those without any previous knowledge as you can't really go anywhere without knowing where you want to go iyswim.

Whinesalot · 17/08/2017 13:41

The ignorance on here about the dark web is laughable.

Lovely

manhowdy · 17/08/2017 13:48

It may not be VladmirsPoutine but if your only source of info was mainstream news you'd be forgiven for thinking it so.

What's more worrying for me is that many people don't realise how much our online privacy has been eroded under the guise of anti-terror.

uglyswan · 17/08/2017 13:51

The dark web is an exact replica of the internet as we know it, with all the websites you use on a day to day basis - only they're all evil. For example, there's a dark mumsnet, where people extoll the virtues of loo brushes and never change their sheets. It's awful.

manhowdy · 17/08/2017 13:55

uglyswan Grin

Dark mumsnet is where you go to order that hit on your MIL.

exWifebeginsat40 · 17/08/2017 14:00

conversely, there's an Argos on the dark web where all their furniture
is well made, sturdy and good value for money. i think they got the sites on the wrong bit of internet as the one on the good internet sells a pile of old shit.

funny old world.

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