I think it's time to kiss our arses goodbye

[BishopBrennansArse]

We're fucking screwed 😱

Trump threatens 'fury' against N Korea
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40869319

What on earth are you on about Caroline?

can i rephrase that to 'What on earth are you on?'

It's relentlessly grim, with not even a glimmer of hope.

I felt like that about The Road. Not a chink of light in the whole bloody book!

I also saw threads at school. Disturbed me and I joined CND the next day. I think teachers may have shown it to have that impact - scare the shit out of us and be against it

I love how Kim Jong Un is completely ignored here. All round great guy.

Said no one ever.

The point that you seem to have missed is that people expect Jong-un to act like a psychopathic baby, but until Trump arrived on the scene we haven't expected the same from the President of the United States.

That's what scares me.
The situation has been managed so far because people have had the sense to know that poking a hornets nest will lead to more destruction.
Trump may be the one who doesn't have the intelligence to know that, if he prods this nest a hell of a lot of people stand to be stung.

Remember when Hillary was accused of being a hawk and Trump was deemed a deal maker? How I laugh now. Not.

I recently read The Psycopath Test by Jon Ronson, I wonder if some of the traits would be relatable here.
Normal people would watch Threads and connect it to reality, the horror and destruction that would result from nuclear war.
Obviously no-one can say that Trump is a psychopath, but even having a higher rate of traits, which is common in positions of power, could lead him to making decisions that do not have the best interests of people at heart.

NK is actually thought more realistically to be 10 years away from actually developing missiles which will hit the US mainland so there is no imminent danger.

I would be very wary of estimates like that ... in the 1940s and 50s, the USSR was "decades away" from developing nuclear weapons (first test in 1949), then China was "decades away" (first test 1961).

The UK should knew very well how inaccurate estimates can be. When the US cut the UK out of nuclear weapons research in 1946, the UK was assumed to be (wait for it) "decades away" from developing it's own nuclear weapons. As it happened, the UK (not for the first time) confounded US expectations and had an independent thermonuclear (H-bomb) before 1960.

Meanwhile, the free nuclear fusion power we were promised in the 1970s was (wait for it, again !) "decades away" still eludes us. As do jet packs and hover cars.

You would have thought that the US - who incredibly managed to put a man on the moon in less than a decade - of all countries would understand the vagaries of fortune-telling.

I think the conclusion to this is inevitable but it won't be nuclear. NK is clearly very close to having viable nuclear ICBMs, but they are not there yet. The US cannot allow them to get to that point. I expect we will see an overwhelming conventional attack against NK's military infrastructure and any facilities that might contribute to their nuclear development programme.
China won't do anything. They no longer fear the west in the way they did during the latter half of the 20th century. They are wise enough to know that NK can't keep doing what it's doing and not expect a reaction. They are also not going to sacrifice their position as one of the world's economic super-powers for the sake of KJU.

This is an analysis of the likelihood of conflict by a number of experts.

North Korea v the US: how likely is war?

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/09/north-korea-v-the-us-how-likely-is-war

NK is actually thought more realistically to be 10 years away from actually developing missiles which will hit the US mainland so there is no imminent danger.

I replied to this earlier, but here is the current link:

North Korea tested an intercontinental ballistic missile Friday that appears to have the range to hit major US cities, experts say

July 30, 2017

edition.cnn.com/2017/07/29/asia/north-korea-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-test/index.html

simon50

A nuclear attack on NK is unlikely to contaminate surrounding countries as it is likely that the weapons will be air burst rather than ground burst. Therefore limiting the fallout

My husband was in Threads. He was a mutant.

I'm not even sure Trump would attack NK with nuclear weapons.

They have some pretty big conventional weapons, such as the one they used recently in Pakistan against ISIS.

A preemptive strike, if it ever happened and I think it's unlikely, would probably be conventional.

It would be conventional in my opinion but on a large scale and targeting military facilities and nucleur sites. Most of Kims weapons Will be deep underground though.

It is risky whatever he decides to do.

Just watching Threads now.

Good luck bishop. Only panic attack I ever had was from watching threads. A full week later after it was rattling around in my head that whole time.

It would be very interesting if Kim fired one off to Guam to see if it coud actually hit the place. I don't know if they, NK missiles use interital navigation but if they use GPS and I suspect they do the US has a lot of influence over the GPS system now i wonder what they could do with that?.

Probably turn the missile around back to where it came from:)

Now if you enjoyed Threads then you can play the Missile strike game just drag the missile of your choice to wherever you want and see how much damage it could do.

You can also use historic sites such as Nagasaki and do remember what happened there around 11 am on the 9th August?.

nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=455&lat=51.454513&lng=-2.58791&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&casualties=1&fallout=1&ff=50&fallout_angle=47&fatalities=168942&injuries=187352&psi_1=609063&zm=9

tinyurl.com/ycocbenv

I won't bother prepping the courgettes for the freezer - I'll just leave them outside to get irradiated. They'll last forever.

Seriously, though, my heart breaks for some of the poster on here. I was where you are about 30 years ago. I can remember walking the dogs along a pretty country path sobbing because I was sure it was all going to be radioactive cinders in a week or two. And I can remember walking through town clinging to DH's arm and staring at the pavement to avoid looking at newspapers in shops, televisions in windows, etc, etc. It's horrible.

But as I say, that was 30 years ago, and I'm still here, typing this. It's all a lot of bluster and willy waving trying to score points to be used at the negotiating table; I'll be very very surprised if anything significant actually comes of it. In fact, if it does, I'll eat my radioactive courgettes. All of them. And you can watch.

I'm guessing NK uses the Chinese "GPS" system

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou_Navigation_Satellite_System

There are a few different satellite navigation systems around, including Russian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_navigation

Ffs. I've just spent weeks knackering myself by bottoming the house to put it on the market!

Ffs. I've just spent weeks knackering myself by bottoming the house to put it on the market!

Have to remember nowadays, unlike 30 years ago, many Russians and Chinese are wealthy people which was not the case back then. I can't see any of them wanting to upset the apple cart.

The ultimate goal of Kim is to preserve his own empire and he sees being a nucleur power as being the only way he can protect himself and his cronies. At the age of 35 and living the life of a king in a country of peasants, I very much doubt he wants to sign his own death warrant by actually creating a war situation. The drones and cruise missiles that the US use are very accurate and he could actually be targeted if he is stupid. Sounds like rhetoric and bluster to me.

Unless the pair of them are suicidal then it won't happen. Why would they want to be bereft of all the finer things in life.

I watched Threads during my first year of uni. As soon as the film was over I signed up to the CND.

My friends know that a nuclear exchange is one of my deepest fears and have expressed interest in watching Threads to understand why, but I can't bring myself to inflict it on them!