Is this accepted now? Young children and electronics on public transport.

[AnneGrommit]

The last few times I've been on a train (not in quiet coach) and quite often on the bus I've had my peace disturbed by toddlers with phones/tablets either playing noisy games on them or watching programmes. When I've asked parents to rein them in I've been invariably met with either passive aggressive remarks about not liking children (I have three myself) or outright hostility and a statement along the lines of "it keeps them quiet". No, it doesn't. It stops them from pestering you but it's far from quiet. AIBU or is this an accepted "thing" now? Because it's fucking annoying.

Just because tablets have been invented doesn't mean comics and colouring have been banned. Nor has looking out of the window or talking. It really pisses me after a long day at work. If the child isn't old enough for headphones, it ain't old enough for a screen.

I really don't understand why so many sensitive souls on public transport who find the normal, day to day noises of other people - including children - the equivalent of fingernails on a chalkboard; why they don't invest in some ear plugs for their daily travel

So all the people who are pissed off should wear earplug rather than the one person (child or adult) who is playing a noisy game shutting up or turning the volume down.

Natural noises are better than unnatural ones????

Isn't it mad! Who has the final word on the classifications of the noises of others anyway?? MNers it would seem. It's a strange kind of self-absorption that makes one think one has the right.

Natural noises are better than unnatural ones????

Yes. There is nothing strange about that.

As for Japan - well just try it.

I ate a cake on a train in Japan! I only did that once after the shame that was poured on me.

There are obvious reasons why a disproportionate number of posters have children with sn.

So all the people who are pissed off should wear earplug rather than the one person (child or adult) who is playing a noisy game shutting up or turning the volume down.

If a adult is pissed off about something that it is within their power to eliminate, but instead they chose to bitch and moan about it whilst hoiking up their judgy-pants, I think the greater failure is theirs, not the child/parent with the just-audible cartoon on an ipad.

Public transport isn't a library. There's no call for silence. Why does it matter if somebody is playing a noisy game or watching a tv programme?

We as a nation now embrace inclusion (at least in theory, reading MN perhaps not). Inclusion is an understanding that tolerance of disability is not enough, we must accommodate and make reasonable adjustments to attempt to even the playing field and let our disabled citizens participate fully in life

What about the scenario above where one person with disabilities needs directly contradict the needs of another person with disabilities? What about inclusion then?

Why does it matter if somebody is playing a noisy game or watching a tv programme?

Do you really have to ask?

I'm starting to see why so many people seem to think this is ok behaviour. It's sad to see you defending something so anti-social.

Again, would you guys be completely happy for a group of teens to be loudly blaring music without swearing, then? Specifying without swearing because I know people will nitpick on that, so we're talking just regular, super loud teen pop music.

And it's the same song. Over and over and over, on repeat for the duration of the journey with random candy crush noises added in.

It might surprise you to know that TONS of parents of disabled children have average children too, how do you think we manage day to day, or do you imagine siblings needs just get ignored

No, that doesn't surprise me at all. Intimately acquainted with the notion, in fact.
Don't make assumptions.

nikiforov I might move carriages (which I absolutely should do if I was really that bothered and I could), or I might ask them to turn it down. No harm in asking. Perhaps if they were bored and tetchy I might even ask them if they'd like me to put an episode of Peppa Pig for them; you know, to keep them out of trouble for everyone else's sake!

If they didn't turn it down though, what are you gonna do? Some people are dicks; we share the world with them. The harsh realities of leaving the house.

It's no more annoying than sitting near an adult (almost every adult these days) making very loud mobile phone calls (because it's so vital to tell your friends where you are/what you're doing every minute of the day - however trivial!), playing games, texting. Oh - and then there are the cinema goers who don't seem to realise a cinema is where you go to watch a movie - not examine your inbox every few seconds, send messages and 'light' up the dark for everyone. I truly think there should be a ban on mobile phone use in public areas - emergencies excepted.

• Do you really have to ask?

I'm starting to see why so many people seem to think this is ok behaviour. It's sad to see you defending something so anti-social*

It's a bus. They're pretty noisy places. There's no social rule that says you must be quiet on a bus.

And to the other PP above, I'm not bothered about teens playing music either. But apparently maybe I should be more like other mumsnetters, and rant and rave and stress about how furious and livid I get over every little thing in life. No thanks.

Maybe we should all do a list of what is unacceptable. I think it might be very long.

But apparently maybe I should be more like other mumsnetters, and rant and rave and stress about how furious and livid I get over every little thing in life. No thanks

Nobody said you should, indeed nobody is doing that.

Anyone with any sense knows that blaring sound from phones in public is not ok. You may be ok with it, I couldn't care less. It's still not ok.

Nobody said you should, indeed nobody is doing that

Plenty of people are doing that.

It's still not ok

Says you. The supreme authority on the matter, it seems.

Anyone with any sense knows that blaring sound from phones in public is not ok

For the amount it apparently happens perhaps you're not in the majority you think you are. Outside of MN that is.

Where has the tolerance gone in our society?

It is far more entitled to expect all members of the public to comply to your own specific requirements and preferences than to let your child look at a phone or tablet for a bit. Do you think you are entitled to silence in every public space?

Even if you do find the noise irritating, is that so bad? Is it such a terrible thing to experience a bit of irritation?

It is awful to get so angry with people just living there lives. Everyone is different. As soon as we can tolerate other people and stop getting so furious about trifling inconveniences (which is what this is) people will be a lot happier.