To think EVERYONE knows the Lords Prayer and the National Anthem right ?

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Apparently my husband Dosent and " why would I "
And the Lords Prayer is " all brainwashing bollox anyway " along with his theory That the christian church and the Catholic church are brainwashing bollox that sacrifice goats
I'm actually very disappointed in him
the Lords Prayer was said in primary school by the majority of primary school pupils right ? It was as commonplace as singing hymns
Admittedly I don't know the WHOLE of the National Anthem but I know the first verse at least
I find his attitude just fucking pig ignorant and down right rude
He's 46 years old for Christ sakes he's not 20 where it's probably not the done thing now

How old are they though? You'd need to lock them in a bunker to avoid them hearing the J word.

Today 17:16 youaredeluded

My kids have never even heard of Jesus let alone the Lord's prayer or GSTQ... they are not pig ignorant though, just not indoctrinated either.

They are certainly lacking basic general knowledge. You do not have to agree with something to know about it. I don't agree with Nazism, historically or in its modern manifestation, but I know about it.

I know The Lord's Prayer, can mumble the national anthem but no idea beyond the first verse (and I'm not even word perfect on that). I do know Flower of Scotland though (dad made us sing it every time we crossed the border into Scotland )

youaredeluded Not even hearing about a major religious figure in a major world religion, who plays a large part in the two main religious festivals celebrated by that religion (which has also crossed over into secular society), whose name is also frequently used as an expletive...seems fairly ignorant yes (in that they are ignorant of a fairly important piece of historical and social information). If not incredibly unlikely.

My kids have never even heard of Jesus let alone the Lord's prayer

I know that Christmas is for everyone - but it must be very difficult to avoid hearing about Jesus at Christmas. Or Easter.

its not that hard...honestly...

its harder to escape hearing about santa.

I know DD hadn't heard of jesus because I overheard her saying 'who is jesus' in conversation with her pals. She still doesn't know who it is because all they could say to this was 'what do you mean you don't know who jesus is' before I came and interrupted them.

its not that hard...honestly

How old is she? And does she go to a UK school?

But why would you even want to prevent her from hearing about Jesus?

Are you worried she'll turn into an evangelical Christian if she hears the name too often? Doesn't quite work like that!

My kids have never even heard of Jesus let alone the Lord's prayer or GSTQ... they are not pig ignorant though, just not indoctrinated either.

Unless you are going to tell us they are tiny, they are pretty ignorant if they genuinely haven't heard of Jesus, which actually seems incredibly unlikely.

Nina2b makes a very good point.

"What's his age got to do with the price of fish? Does becoming older mean you're automatically supposed to know everything?!"

Two things: 1. yes you do generally acquire more knowledge as you get older and 2. it's do with saying the Lord's prayer at school. I'm 40 and I think everyone my age who went to a normal (non-faith) school in my part of the world would have said it at school.
It might be something that's changed now although I think schools in England and Wales still have a religious component to their assemblies, something that should probably change.

Raise in an athiest and anti-monarchy household I can assure you that at 40 I do not know either. And I am not being pig ignorant about it either as I do view both things (religion and monarchy) as bollox anyway.

I know Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.

Don't know God Save the Queen other than that line...don't think anyone born or brought up in Wales would tbh. I've never even heard it in 'real life' whereas Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau will be sung with gusto in most Welsh pubs before any Welsh sporting event so I've heard that plenty

scottishdiem - I understand about GSTQ, as a Welsh person I don't know it either, but regarding the Lord's prayer, did you never have prayers at school or see it on TV? We all have influences from outside the household.

I don't know either

Raise in an athiest and anti-monarchy household I can assure you that at 40 I do not know either.

But did your mummy shield your ears from j-e-s-u-s?

DH and I have just had a very robust debate about the correct way to say The Lords Prayer. (we are both atheists)

TL:DR Trespass, none of that thine is the kingdom nonsense.

squoosh

Not at all. Lots of chat as and when I or sibling brought up religion. Pointed out the various contradictions in the bible and the inherent incompatibility of evolution with the fundamentals of Christianity.

I dont know either and dont think its important to learn them. Im not religous so dont see why i should know lords prayer, any funerals i go to i dont bow my head and pray as i dont believe. We were made to go to church and sing hymns at school but i never believed and my parents gave me the freedom to decide on my own. I was interested in religon at high school and took higher grade,so am not ignorant to others beliefs.

Couldnt give a toss about royals so why should i know anthem

Flanders I'm born and raised Welsh and still know God Save The Queen although I've never had to sing it. Quite often sing our national anthem at football, rugby, hockey etc.

As PPs have said, I'm amazed people have gone through life not knowing their national anthem, especially given how often it is played during sports and the Olympics.

I know the Lord's Prayer on both old and new versions, and know three verses of the National Anthem. I guess I'm weird.

At a lot of sporting events it's either just the tune (i.e. during F1 podiums), or the crowd singing makes the words incomprehensible other than "SOMETHING AND OOOORIOUS..... QUEEEEEEEN".

So unless you're singing it at school (never happened once while I was at school), or go out of your way to learn it, you're not going to know the words.

I think it's a shame some of the bible isn't said in schools - just as stories. The language is brilliant (King James version) and has formed some of our best literature. The Old Testament applies to all three major faiths in the UK and there are beautiful bits in the Koran, the Vedas and Sikh . You don't have to believe it just rejoice in the faith and language.

Gherkin sorry I was referring to the several posters who have stated they didn't even know what the anthem was. I just find that very odd, and a bit sad really. I was taught the Welsh anthem in school at 5 and it was sang at least once a year at the Eisteddfod on St David's Day.

If I am making a point that has been relentlessly hammered upthread, I have not read the full thread.

I am shaken to the core that so many of you (378) can post, mostly flippantly, with any reflection on the culture and values that have made a European passport or residence so desirable. The tolerance and liberal attitudes that enable women to choose who they marry and what to do in life instead of abdicating those choices to their fathers and brothers starts with free thinking and freedom of speech and choice. I am an atheist, but one with immense respect for the culture and law that has been built on Jewish and Christian traditions and principles. I do not dismiss inputs from other religious traditions, but the freedom and liberty and equality that have become mainstream in western culture have flowed through Europe and the US, which is the place the Americans left for increased freedom. It has been more experimental, more open to artistic impression and progress and scientific exploration, less judgemental and much more open minded than any other culture on earth. I am horrified that so many here do not recognise the immense value of the legacy we have inherited.

What exactly has left you so shaken? I'm confused.