Are you a feminist?

[NoLoveofMine]

Yes or no...

SplatController

I get my ALWAYS from the published data. In the days of the 11+ being national girls had to get a higher mark to get to grammer school. When women were first admitted to Oxford (they were allowed to attend lectures and take exams but not obtain a degree they scored the highest marks )

In the days of O Levels girls passed with higher grades than boys, in many cases the subjects they took were limited by the school so girls tended to pass French and Art rather than Physics and electronics but once the national curriculum came in that discrepancy disappeared.

As for being paid less for having a baby - check the BBC pay scales, google 'average pay'.

Work that is traditionally seen as female is paid less the traditional 'men's work eg cleaning vs plumbing.

As for pay dropping when a woman has a child, why doesn't it drop for men? Why do women who do not have children not earn as much as men?

Then there is violence against women and girls, rape culture, honour killings, schools that teach girls they are inferior or have a set role in life.

No access to abortion in some places.

That's just in the UK.

Trans women have entirely different issues than women. Often the issues are in conflict with each other

bertrandrussell it started with my best friend (male) getting himself involved with the men's rights movement. Initially I laughed, but I did some digging and found it has foundations. It does not detract from the fact that there are women's issues but in some areas things are skewed in favour of men. I started with the Voice for Men website, but am not keen on its main player Paul Elam. From there I watched the Ted Talk of Warren Farrell called The Boy Crisis, and from there watched the eye-opening Red Pill movie (Cassie Jaye). Things like domestic violence always features the female victim but 1 in 3 victims is male, and they have literally nowhere to go. The statistics for male suicide are actually frightening. People talk about FGM but nobody ever seems to consider circumsion as genital mutilation, and it is just accepted. I have two boys so this stuff scares me and I want to understand it all better.

Karen Straughan is my new guru!

Yes, the "man-hating", "swerf and terf" kind.
And now I'm going back to rtft

No

Applebei I couldn't give a shit which feminist icon YOU think I identify with t9 be honest. And find your examples of other feminist women equally inspiring...
But making assumptions about me just because I admire someone like Emma Watson (who happens to be slim and attractive) is plain wrong.

Apart from the BBC 'pay gap' being far too subjective to judge by and plumbing being an infinitely more skilled role than cleaning-

As for pay dropping when a woman has a child, why doesn't it drop for men? Why do women who do not have children not earn as much as men?

I don't believe this is the case. Consider this report from the US:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/03/23/glassdoors-gender-pay-gap-survey-doesnt-quite-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-problem/amp/

Karen Straughan - that would be the same Karen Straughan who thought the harrasment of a female television journalist by an idiot shouting out on live television " fuck her hard in the pussy" was hilarious?

And who was encouraging her so called Honey Badgers to do the same ?

So far as circumcision there is a debate to be had about the issue of circumcision for non medical reasons but there is no reason to float the idea that talking about FGM is the reason we don't have that discussion.

No, but that is because I am often told that I can't be one.

I always considered myself to be a feminist however the term seems to mean something different on MN, it's seems on MN you can't be a feminist and support the rights of trans people.

As a man, I'd consider myself an ally (if that's the right terminology). I have daughters that have been assaulted and shouted at by men. I read about the hatred that is manifested by so many men towards women. I'm depressed by all the terrible behaviour exhibited by men towards women that I read about on MN threads, and how women are conditioned into accepting it.
I don't know how people can't consider it to be a continuing problem of huge proportions.

I'm an equaliser, believing in equality for all.

The third wave feminists are nuts.

And I have no time at all for any MRA advocates. Because, despite all their claims to the contrary, it's based on the fear and hatred of women.

"No, but that is because I am often told that I can't be one"

By whom, and why? And who are they to carry so much influence?

Yes, but don't agree with most of what I see on feminist groups on FB so I think many of them would not consider me a feminist.

I don't understand why a one word answer. What would that tell you?

The thread is about feminism and it is vitally important the fight is not won. However, white working class boys are in crisis. This inevitability impacts on women. It is not either or.
I can and do call myself a feminist and work to help and support the emotional and educational crisis that is devastating many working class boys.

"MN you can't be a feminist and support the rights of trans people."

Honestly, that's not true.

Welsh
" it's seems on MN you can't be a feminist and support the rights of trans people."

Of course you can. And we do. But 'support' does not mean allowing males to step on the rights of females

Yes. I want my son to be able to ask for proper paternity leave and flexible working. I want him to have relationships with women based on love and respect and not feel like he has to fit one narrowly defined role. I want him to be able to work for a woman and not feel emasculated. If he's the boss I want him to hire the best person for the job. I want him to have women friends.
Feminism is about equal rights, and that includes equality of perception.
As I get older I see more and more men rise to the top of their professions, more and more chauvinism, less understanding of why we have a pay gap, sexual violence, deadbeat dads, young male suicide.
A more equal society is better for boys and girls.

Things like domestic violence always features the female victim but 1 in 3 victims is male, and they have literally nowhere to go

It is FAR less than 1 in 3, that is not correct.

DV against males is also, in the vast majority of cases, also perpetrated by males.

If men have 'literally nowhere to go' (also incorrect) then why don't MEN do something about that? You know, like women have had to?

I can't believe an actual woman has fallen for MRA bullshit.

BertrandRussell

By many people on the feminist board here, because I am male.

And because on many many occasions as soon as you are male you are shut out of the discussions.

So I will stick with treating people the same whatever their sex, gender or whatever.

My son is white and working class. But he has me as a mother

Things like domestic violence always features the female victim but 1 in 3 victims is male, and they have literally nowhere to go.

Takes, that simply is not true.

Please read this which explains why the 1 in 3 figure you quote is untrue.

Also fgm and circumcision are not in any way equivalent. Dh is circumcised and it hasn't had any detrimental effect on him at all.

I dislike both acts but they are not the same.

WellErrr

It is FAR less than 1 in 3, that is not correct.

1 in 5 is the accepted figure.

it's seems on MN you can't be a feminist and support the rights of trans people

That's not true. I'm sure the vast majority DO support the rights of trans people. I just don't support them being allowed to take away the rights of women.