We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

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Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

AIBU

Is that really the reason for leaving? Because you "don't want to be in the EU any more"?

Apparently that is their reason. But then that makes them no different to the utter incompetents who are running this shit show - David Davis et al.

"Negativite Equity " do you remember that? it happened in the 80's and we were in the EU.. and yet we bounced back. how can anything be worse than that?
There will always be ups and downs in the way an economic cycle works, when things happen it sets in course a new way of working, the UK has one of the best Banking systems in the world , and if the EU move then something will fill the vacuum this the way of things.
The Exit will happen just because your scared it will happen is not going to stop it, so you doubter really believe all 27 countries will be willing to vote us a bad deal and leave themselves out of pocket, just so they can poke their tongues out at us.
Do you really thing Germany is willing to watch their industry suffer, and France the framers, Spain has a country dependent on UK food markets and our holiday makers, the smaller ones have have a large % of their countrymen working here. your trying to say none of this matters in the adding up of what needs to be sorted. This is why Davis knows he can act as he do he is nothing but a figure head for the talks . not like Cameron who rolled over and let himself be shaffted.

How can anything be worse than 80s negative equity? Erm, do you want the short or the long list?

So basically we are going through this because half the country just don't want to be in Europe anymore. They don't know why they don't want to be or how it should work but they just don't like the idea.

It is insane.

Genuinely thinking that nothing could be worse than the uk in the 80s, and using this as a political argument, shows a frightening lack of understanding of the world.

Do you really thing Germany is willing to watch their industry suffer, Germany have already said several times that their priority is the EU so they are prepared to lose trade with us to keep it together.

I am half English and half German and it looks to me a case of the average Brexiteer thinking the Germans are just saying this as a ploy and that they will back down. They aren't, they are direct and operate in a different way to the British. They don't wish us harm are feel sorry for us, don't really understand what is going on (My Aunt the other day-'What is going on on your Island, I don't understand ') They are well aware there are probably more here who want to stay in the EU and are sympathetic so won't deliberately make things hard but they will prioritise the EU and are prepared to lose trade with us, it is not a bluff, you need to believe what you are being told.

Reminds me a bit of when I tried to buy a house. Viewed it and said we wanted to put in an offer. Agent said it might go to sealed bids. Put in offer a little above the guide price which was a good offer and said wanted to secure it would not be prepared to partake in sealed bids. Agent came back to say was going to sealed bids, I said ok, not interested then , thanks. Found a different house that was more expensive that hadn't looked at as was out of price range with 4 beds rather than 3 and detached rather than semi so much better and because we were in a good position got an offer accepted on that.

4 times the Agent called us asking if we were putting in a bid including an hour after the sealed bids were closed. He obviously thought I was bluffing when I said we'd found something else. He did sell it eventually, not quite for what we offered so client was pissed off, his commission was fractionally less and he made a lot more work for himself, all because he was an arrogant tosser who did not believe what I said and thought we were engaged in playing a game which was one sided and only on his side. House we bought had potential to extend and when finished will be worth about twice of house 1 so I'm pleased it happened and shows me being straight and honest pays off for me in the end.

Saw Brexit the Musical the other day, really good. 13 year old DC joined DH and I in laughing our way through it. Any scientists on the thread with suggestions of how to guide very science minded DC in current climate would be very grateful. I feel at a bit of a loss.

I can't help thinking that even if half of those who voted wanted to leave the EU, it's still only a quarter of the whole population. The Government is supposed to consider the good of the whole country, not just those who happen to agree with it. So, I cannot see why, after saying, 'We've looked at this, and we really can't afford to leave just yet' they don't cancel Brexit. Face down Farage and the UKIP tendancy. Let Redwood or other Brexiter get elected as PM and have a go himself, if they want it so much.

I am sorry but NO we are the largest export market for the EU.
We take more than the USA from them, We are their BEST market of goods, and you have all seen how hard they worked to get a deal with the EU.
I don't mean the Stupid figure head of the meetings DD, I mean there are real people who do know and understand trade deals and the workings of the EU, who work for the government of the day, these are the people who will be working hard behind the scenes and who we never see or hear of.

It all sounds so tedious, such hard work to achieve what really?

And the cost to the taxpayer for all these Trade Negotiators is what, not to mention the cost of a new Exit Department and all that entails.

Jobs for the boys and girls of course. Happy Days all round. For some.

Mirabelle I would advise your science-minded DC to move to Germany. Seriously. If they have dual nationality it would be a no brainer.

Mummy2017, the people working hard behind the scenes: can you tell us more about these (imaginary) highly skilled successful civil servants in whose hands you've put thecountries future.
News today is that the negotiations ARE going badly. We know head of the civil service resigned over this, we know the head of the Bank of England thinks it's disastrous and voices coming out of d Davis department are saying it's an utter mess. We know that the vast majority of businesses, scientists and economists were against brexit too.
So who or what do you mean? Cheer us up with some stories/evidence of these brilliant minds working hard for a great brexit.

Who do you think sorts out the Tax we pay, the NI and other day today needs of this country.
The people who are working the figures are not part of my imagination, and I think your showing yourself up to be ignorant to not understand this.

Why do you think people who are experts in UK tax and national insurance would also be experts in trade negotiations, though? They're two totally different things.

You forgot the last part of that sentence...
But hey that wouldn't help your argument would it.
Best to just pretend we don't have people who can and do understand Budgets and Trade deals who work at sorting the amounts payable out.
And just pretend the MP figureheads are really doing all the work.

You think the people who (brilliantly( work out the tax we pay are all now moonlighting to work on Brexit?
I hadn't heard this!

Ignoring the insult for now, when you see the stories about how badly brexit negotiations are going and how the economy and the NHS are being negatively affected by uncertainty etc do you just think they are all lying or do you think it doesn't matter or do you perhaps just think, oh the people who sort out taxes will sort it out?

Was that aimed at me?

It's not pretending, it's asking. I would like to know why you think people who are good at tax and NI are also good at trade deals. Especially as we've not needed many people with expertise in those areas for a while. I hope you're right, we'd be less fucked if you were. I just don't see any information to base it on. Which leads me to hope you've got some, rather than just assuming people with one skillset will be able to acquire another easily.

And I should probably drop in at this point that I've a pal who's a very bright and gifted Treasury economist, whose many talents and extensive experience don't include any trade negotiations. I'm sure they'd be good if they were able to get the years of training and experience the people who deal with this for the EU who have got... but they aren't.

It's quite sweet the faith in faceless bureaucrats: I thought last year everyone hated them!

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Mummy17 I am generally an incorrigible optimist. My catch phrase could be summed up as 'It will all work out all right'. But anyone who actually looks at the facts about Brexit would have to be deluded to come to the conclusion that it's nothing to worry about and it's going to be fine.
The UK hasn't had to make trade deals for decades so we have virtually nobody with considerable experience in what is a highly complex task. It's not like Delboy or an Apprentice candidate haggling with someone. I could bombard you with links from people who know what they're talking about saying what an utter mess the whole thing is but I won't because I doubt you'd read them. I know a fair few very experienced and highly paid accountants- not a single one of them would consider themselves remotely capable of negotiating International trade deals.
You say 'Best to just pretend we don't have people who can and do understand Budgets and trade deals who work a thing sorting the amounts payable out'
Budgets/tax calculations are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to negotiating trade deals.
Give me strength

So according to the way your all acting NO ONE at all is working on trade deals, or anything similarly. We are not employing highly trained people capable of doing this work, in fact with less than 2 years to go we have nothing being done at all.
Fine your all right and I am wrong... rolls eyes.

in fact with less than 2 years to go we have nothing being done at all.

Er, yup.