We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

[Hufflepug]

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

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We are not even being total how much, just sort of between 50 and 100 Billion. Are we not owed some of the assets, this is like a company, when you sell your shares there should be assets as well as liabilities, we need to see the accounts... oh they don't have any passed ones...
If you look at the people who join, and were not part of the original obligations do they not owe a share for what they use, which should reduce what we owe., as they now have part of the original financial commitments.

The final sum due is part of the discussions taking place to give effect to the Article 50 UK notice to leave the EU. We are choosing to leave so we will have to meet the liability as calculated based on what we have committed to and what we are owed. It would have been preferable for the calculation to have been determined by the UK Govt before the Referendum took place so that those voting would be aware of the liability and the sum due.
The EU does have accounts that are available to view. What do you mean by 'they don't have any passed ones'?

fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

It can be said that yes some of the accounts were signed of but their not all correct.

But if the accounts are correct, then why don't the EU know how much we owe, and since we have paid in so much, why are we not due some back, as the EU now have Assets from our investments with them?

The French labour laws don't fit with working practices (how do you fit a 7.30am -5.30pm traders' day into a 35 hr week?).

Jeez Louise, what do you think happens here now? Honestly, if you don't know what you're talking about, it's best not to volunteer rubbish.

mummmy2017 - because it has either paid for services or been grants/matched funds. EU structural funds don't buy something somewhere.

We do have some assets, such as a share in the European Investment Bank, and part of the European Commission's wine cellar - they will be taken into account as part of our leaving negotiations.

Frankly, the leaving bill will probably be computed as our contributions persisting for some years/dropping down over that time. We're not going to suddenly fork out £40bn.

I imagine there will be plenty of fudging going on to make it seem as palatable as possible to everybody.

We are at a disadvantage because of how critical EU trade is to us, but we're not total supplicants.

(This isn't saying any of this was a good idea, am a remainer)

mummy2017 - of course there is dispute.

Do we pay in terms of how our economy is doing as a share of Europe? If so, when do you calculate it from? Do we calculate a flat figure, or do we pay as if we were in Europe (so recalculated over time). What if we stay in certain European programs? Should we take structural funds out and spend them ourselves? What happens to cost overruns - do we work them out now, or later? Do we pay up front and get reimbursed?

Europe will propose one approach, we will almost certainly propose another, we will meet somewhere in the middle. I'm sure there will be a sane outcome

mummy 2017 whilst we are on the matter of cost of Brexit, could I ask you what the cost will be to set up UK regulatory bodies recognised by other states that will be required, assuming we want to continue to have a presence in world trade, post Brexit.
Shall we start with Aviation and Medicine?
So, what will be the cost for setting up a regulatory body recognised by states outside the UK that will oversee the safety standards for aviation related manufacture - maybe start with wings for Airbus aircraft. Then there is how we will negotiate our flying/landing rights throughout the EU.
And, what will be the cost of setting up a regulatory body recognised by states outside the UK that will over see the safety standards for development and sale of medicines produced in the UK once the EU regulatory body relocates from London?

JWIM your also forgetting , we may want to fly into EU, but also they want to fly here, it's not all one sided, the problem is it is so easy to see all the negatives and not that there are upsides. They really do need to fly here. so will want to help sort it as well.

We already have Medical Councils and I think they were going to take into UK law the EU laws and then change things after we leave, which makes sense. Once more the EU can't afford to place a glass dome over the UK and pretend we don't exist.

This is going to happen, there is no way it can be stopped, far from being a bad thing, what if it works, after all the budget needed the day after we voted didn't happen, nor did the crash, because this is a 2 sided thing, the EU need the money, and so want us to be able to say yes , we will pay our bills, which means they have to give as well as take.

The safety rules applicable to aviation manufacture still need to be met.

Where are the discussions/ agreements on aviation access taking place? If they aren't what does that tell you about the UK's preparation?

I don't think unilateral action by the UK will address the drugs/medicine manufacture issues. We might adopt the EU requirements but that does not guarantee acceptance.

And no, this is not necessarily going to happen as you expect.

?"What if it works' and what if it doesn't?

Why do we think we hold we hold sway in EU take off and landing slots? We will not have the aviation slots in the EU.

The rules on manufacture of aviation parts are unaffected by laning slots.

We are already making parts to the specs needs, or we wouldn't be selling them, as I said all you say about it is doom and gloom, do you really think in 12 months there will be someone else who can make the parts we do, without a massive price increase and a time delay, life is about compromises, and this is what will happen.
I have no idea what will happen as it's not my job to do this, but there are lots of people working on this who are not shouting about it, which doesn't mean they are not working on the issues.

Are there lots of people working on this? I applaud your positive attitude. I am not sure that the UK Govt is following through and supporting your positive outlook.

I do not see any positive work, just assumptions, that "there are lots of people working on this who are not shouting about it, which doesn't mean they are not working on the issues'. There is no aviation terms agreed or even being discussed. There is no discussion or agreement regarding the devlopment of drugs or distribution after the EMA leaves the UK with no ongoing EU wide including the UK regulatory arrangements.

I am in awe of your positive view that it will all work out OK. There is no certainty about trade post Brexit - either tariff or non-tariff barriers on any element of UK/EU trade. Is there nothing in our UK gov't approach to date that makes you question what the outcome will be?

We only know what the newspapers tell us.
If you really believe they know the ins and outs of what is happening, I mean what is really happening, perhaps you should rethink your information source.
There is no way that a lot more work isn't being done that we know.
All we can do is hope and wait and see, because there is nothing we can do. Also We already have had bad times in the EU , so how will out of it be that different.

Jeez mummmy but you sound incredibly naive. Has anything the Conservative party done since the brexit vote won suggested they have this quietly in hand? Can you point me to one single shred of evidence?

All I can see is a party desperately out of their depth, pretending they're in control.

If only....people say it would be undemocratic to have another referendum but surely democracy is that you vote every five years to change or maintain the government..otherwisr it wouldbe a dictatorship??

A recent poll found that most people wanted Theresa May to focus on retaining, instead of stopping, the free movement of people, goods, services and capital. If ignoring the result of the referendum is undemocratic, then so is ignoring the result of an opinion poll (because the original referendum was not legally binding).

There was a referendum... Parliament voted to leave the EU. Few ever said it would be uneventful but we work our way through each hurdle towards the goal of an independent UK. Some people will scream at every bump in the road as if it is suicide, some people will say its just a bump in the road...

What has become clear since the vote is how much the EU has subsumed the UK, its a lot worse than most ever thought. How did we allow so much of our sovereignty slip away without permission from the public? If we had voted to stay in the EU, no one knows what changes would have been forced upon us without our permission. Did we really give our country away 40 years ago?

I get that remainers want to use every hurdle to try and force a 'pretend' Brexit on us. But we have to keep our eyes on the prize and get us out of the EU. Its not a hard or soft Brexit, we just voted to get the hell out of the EU.

How many people were polled EyeHalveASpellingChequer?

The economy was already truly fd before the referendum and would/will continue to be fd regardless of the the outcome and regardless of whether we do actually leave or not, the remoaners are now just using Brexit as an excuse for the economy being just as f**d as it would have been anyway.

You can say 'fucked' dear. And no, it wasn't.

You must be very excited to 'get the country back' fresh!

Can you tell us a bit more about where it's been, all the sovereignty we lost and how we've been subsumed by the eu?

scrumpernickel is right

You can definitely say fucked...I've seen it loads of times on here...

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