To think it's pathetic to take drugs on a night out ...

[Ashkey234]

She's 31 and until she met this new girl she never took drugs.
Now every time she goes out with her she takes Coke.
Every 30 minutes going to the toilet taking more.
I'm starting to dislike her because of it,I know that sounds awful but she's always jumping around after it,sweating,sniffing,bleeding nose and I just think she's Pathetic.
Both 31,she has 3 kids and I think your a mother and doing that.
I love a night out,cocktails etc but I'm honestly thinking of ending our friendship.
What's your opinions?

I've skim-read a bit.

OP, can you talk to her about this? (Perhaps not in a "you piss me off" way though, that won't go anywhere good!)

What did you mean about someone else influencing her?

Thing is, the eejits who take drugs, think they're uber-cool and right-on, when they're nothing but empty headed morons.

Completely agree with MrsTerryPratchett.
I don’t take drugs. I did in my late teens, but haven’t done for over 10 years now and have been completely teetotal for about 7 years.

I’d rather be friends with someone who takes coke on a night out, than someone who sneers down their nose at people who make different life choices than themselves. The latter has this horrible whiff of a superiority complex.

As the sober person on a night out, I tend to have more issue with drunk people than I do with the people who have taken drugs.
It’s not the people taking ecstasy who get into fights, it’s not the coke heads who end up spending the weekend in a cell, it’s not the weed smokers who are taking up limited space and resources in A&E on a Saturday night.
(That doesn’t mean alcohol always results in those outcomes, it just means those specific people don’t know when to stop or what their limits are. Surely that’s the case for most/all drugs?)

The simplistic view of ‘illegal drugs = bad and pathetic, legal alcohol = fine and dandy’ is something I only ever see being spouted by people with narrow minds and very limited life experience.

Until very recently rape in marriage was legal and consensual gay sex was illegal. Only very silly people think legal = right and illegal = wrong.

Too right.

That's caused by illegality and criminalisation though. Plus the fact that we live in an unequal world: for that, see also diamonds, coffee, chocolate etc.

I also think that Mrs Terry Pratchett is spot on. There's a lot of hypocrisy and also a kind of craven "I'm okay because what I do is legal" attitude to recreational substances at all levels of society.

How do you know it isn't the Coke heads or ones who take ecstasy that get into fights and end up in a&e
Do you go around asking every person if they've taken drugs that night?
Most of them mix both alcohol and drugs

Thing is, the eejits who take drugs, think they're uber-cool and right-on, when they're nothing but empty headed morons.

People who are doing lines of coke when you're not seem completely moronic. Totally agree. Then again, people who are drunk when you're not - pretty much the same.

Brazenhussy yy Alcohol is implicated in one third of violent crime. Plus is actually a poison. Not a toxin, but a poison. That buzz you get? That's your body under attack and your brain cells dying never to be replaced.

How do you know it isn't the Coke heads or ones who take ecstasy that get into fights and end up in a&e
Do you go around asking every person if they've taken drugs that night?

Oh yes, that well-known step that's necessary to ascertain who's on what drugs

I don't take illegal drugs. Can't see the appeal and tbh thought most people grew out of them well before 30.

I do drink, and occasionally get drunk (by which I mean very happy and chatty, a deep sleep and very, very occasionally a moderate hangover next day). But I was really quite startled at a thread on here a week or wo ago wih people sharing stories of doing the most awful undignified things on drunken nights out - vomiting everywhere, shitting themselves, falling down flights of sairs, goodness knows what else - and the number of posters accusing anyone who expressed any disquiet of killjoydom and sanctimony.

But people deluding themselves about alcohol doesn't make people taking illegal drugs, with their various unpleasant effects, any better. IMO. (And fwiw I felt far worse on weed, on the few occasions I tried it, than I ever have on alcohol).

People on coke are too busy talking shit, and people on ecstasy are too busy having sex/raving, to get into fights.

If I were in your shoes I'd end the friendship. Coke heads are so boring and obsessed with the crap.

Alcohol is a drug, the only difference is that it is legal.

To condemn people taking illegal drugs while happily quaffing wine is hypocritical, and usually due to ignorance of the relative harm that both legal and illegal drugs cause.

Brazen

Whilst I agree with the gist of what you're saying, I've seen two violent incidents, (off the top of my head), where the aggressors had been taking ecstasy / mdma. Both were men who I'd known for a long while and never known to be aggressive. One walked over and punched a guy in a club as apparently he'd been threatening towards him earlier. The other (man 1) overheard a man who he'd known for years saying something nasty to man 1's brother. He marched into the room where they were and head butted the other guy in the nose. There was a lot of blood and it's one of the most violent things I've ever seen. It's overly simplistic to say ecstasy = happy, loved up people who wouldn't hurt a fly! You already say yourself that (obviously) alcohol doesn't always result in the outcomes you've listed, so I don't really need to reiterate that.

People who take drugs are just trying to mask their own perceived inadequacies not realising that what they have taken usually makes them more of a tit.

The people I know who take coke are complete and utter twats on it but they are also twats off it, just slightly less twats so I cant confirm if its the coke or just them. They do get in a lot of fights on it, coke is a drug that I really really hate but I'm not sure if thats just because in general the people I've met who take it are dickheads.
But being completely sober with people who are completely drunk is really unpleasant too.
Coke has a terrible supply chain, and by taking it you know you are supporting that. Yes its because its illegal but its still a really really horrible thing to support..
I've seen really horrible effects from both alcohol and drugs tbh, however in general I know many more people who drink and probably equal numbers of horrible effects.

Alcohol is a drug, the only difference is that it is legal.

Not really the only. When alcohol was illegal it was far more dangerous because its production wasn't monitored or regulated, it was often mixed with other substances.

At least I know the alcohol I drink from South America isn't funding child prostitution and the people producing it are happily growing it in a vineyard and paying their workers a decent wage and putting money into their local community and country rather than raping and killing them to keep them quiet.

Just re-read my last post and wanted to clarify; these were two separate incidents.

I had these friends, let's call them John and Dave. One night John thought someone in a nightclub had threatened him earlier in the night, so at the end of the night he walked over to him and punched him in the face.

On another night, Dave overheard something nasty being said to his brother and head butted the man who had said it.

@Decaffstilltastesweird

Oh no, I don’t mean to imply that I think all drug experiences are zen, happy and full of love (there’s a reason I’m teetotal these days!) Some people will be violent on drugs or alcohol. I just wanted to highlight the hypocrisy of calling drug users ‘pathetic’ while believing alcohol is completely fine when drunks causes a lot more antisocial behaviour than all kinds of drug users put together.

I'm with MrsTP as well.

And legal doesn't mean safe. I'm allergic to champagne. One memorable night I was being seriously pressured into drinking the bloody stuff, and celebrate properly with them. Mr clever clogs who said I couldn't be decided to tip some in my beer (this was back when I still drank before I came to my senses and stopped althogether) ..... oh how we all laughed when my throat swelled and my lips turned blue Drunk dickheads decided to give me a drug that could kill me marvellous fun. But that was FINE by the ops reasoning as
A) I wasn't a parent
B)It was a legal substance

Brazen

Ah, thanks for clarifying. I've definitely heard the old cliche about loved up people on ecstasy vs dreadful, violent boozers and I always think it's too simple a generalisation.

@LinoleumBlownapart Spot on. If coke was legal and alcohol was illegal (and there's an argument for that!) then I would think negatively of people for drinking alcohol but not for taking coke. Not because it's illegal and I think all laws are always right (as @mrsterrypratchett has pointed out, they often aren't!) but because when something is illegal a) the proceeds invariably fund crime, b) the production line is damaging to both individuals and society and c) the product cannot be guaranteed to be safe.

I completely agree that the destruction wreaked by the cocaine trade is due to the criminalisation of the drug and there's a wider conversation to have about that - but regardless, at the current time, that destruction exists. (Of course there are other industries which lead to exploitation and death - coffee, chocolate, clothes etc - but I don't think NOT boycotting one of these means you shouldn't boycott any!)

Being allergic to champagne isn't really the same as choosing to snort Coke tho is it really ...

Well the Coke probably won't kill me. The champagne definitely wills so beggars can't be choosers

The opening post is goady as hell. I have utmost sympathy for a person who's at the point where they can't go on a night out with any sort of drug and get genuinely distraught if there isn't enough of it . Legal or not.

Thankfully good decent folk like MrsTP are out there who understand this and are on hand to help.

And the sulphites and chemicals in some wines now are fucking hideous. And that shit they put in is legal

I'd be telling social services.