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Gender Self Identity Law coming! MNQH and Mumsnetters: Time to pick a side

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AssignedMentalAtBirth · 23/07/2017 10:09

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40692782

This is going to happen unless we speak out now.

Other thread in feminist chat

Fence sitters everywhere, please read, be aware of what is coming

From the Times:
Tories promote the right to choose your own sex
Transgender reforms for birth certificates
Adults will be able to change their gender legally without a doctor’s diagnosis under government plans that will transform British society.
Men will be able to identify themselves as women — and women as men — and have their birth certificates altered to record their new gender.
Ministers plan to tear up the existing rules that mean people have to live for two years as their desired gender before they can officially change sex.
A consultation on the Gender Recognition Bill, to be published in the autumn, will also include proposals to scrap the requirement that people get a formal medical diagnosis of “gender dysphoria” before applying to switch gender.
Critics warned that allowing people in effect to “self-identify” as a member of the opposite sex, while maintaining the anatomy of their birth gender, would unleash a firestorm of legal cases over access to women-only hospital wards, prisons, lavatories, changing rooms and competitive sports.
Justine Greening, the minister for women and equalities, called the move to give more rights to transgender people the third great “step forward” after equality for women and the legalisation of same-sex marriage in 2013.
The announcement is timed to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1967. Greening said ministers want to “streamline and demedicalise” gender change to make it easier for people to switch their identity legally.
In future people are expected to be required only to make a statutory declaration that they intend to live in the acquired gender until death — in line with arrangements already adopted in Ireland.
The consultation will address whether those whose gender is “non-binary” should also be able to define themselves as “X” on their birth certificates.
A separate consultation in Scotland will go further than England and Wales by recommending that “non-binary” people should be able to define themselves as “X” on passports. It will also propose a cut in the age at which people can change their gender from 18 to 16.
The plans will be controversial. Prominent feminists including Germaine Greer and Dame Jenni Murray, the presenter of Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, have questioned whether men can become women even if they undergo a sex-change operation.
Stephanie Davies-Arai of Transgender Trend, a parents’ group, said: “This has huge implications for women. There will be legal cases. The most worrying thing is if any man can identify as a woman with no tests and gain access to spaces where women might be getting undressed or feel vulnerable — like women’s hospital wards, refuges and rape crisis centres — women will just stop going to these facilities.”
Self-identifying was recommended by a parliamentary committee last year chaired by the former cabinet minister Maria Miller and it has the backing of Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.
Greening also announced the government will make it easier for gay men to give blood. At the moment men who have had sexual contact with other men are barred from donating for 12 months. That will be reduced to three months.

Ministers will launch a national survey of Britain’s estimated 1.5m LGBT people to help inform policy.
The education department has also announced £3m will be spent on “anti-homophobic and transphobic programmes”. Schools, including faith schools, will be required to include LGBT issues in relationships and sex education.
Greening, who is in a relationship with a woman, said: “This government is committed to building an inclusive society that works for everyone, no matter what their gender or sexuality.
“We will build on the significant progress we have made over the past 50 years, tackling some of the historic prejudices that still persist in our laws and giving LGBT people a real say on the issues affecting them.”
Ruth Hunt, chief executive of Stonewall, the lobbying organisation, welcomed the plans. “We need a simple process which isn’t medicalised, intrusive or demeaning,” she said.
The move will put the government on a collision course with some religious groups. Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute said: “It is worrying when the leaders of the main political parties are so out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people.
“Allowing men to self-identify as female without any medical diagnosis allows them to invade the privacy of women and girls.
“It’s time for a reality check. Some things can’t be changed. May and Corbyn want to elevate the principle of ‘gender self-declaration’. But it is wrong, it is anti-scientific and it is dangerous.”
A source who is close to Greening acknowledged that the proposed changes could be problematic. “That’s why we are going to have a consultation, so we can examine all the implications,” the source said.
A Scottish government spokeswoman said it hopes to have “new arrangements in place by 2020”.

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ThymeLordRegenerates2Spartacus · 24/07/2017 12:57

But presumably they will have to. I've been thinking that direct action is needed around this - going into men's clubs, changing rooms, toilets etc. would be great at raising the issue. Trouble is how many of us feel too scared to do it?

I must admit, I would be too scared to do something like this on my own, even though I very much want to. I wonder if something can be arranged so that groups of women in all the major cities decide they are men on one specific day and go into these mens clubs, changing rooms etc. Safety and strength in numbers and all that.

hackmum · 24/07/2017 12:57

"inappropriate content?!" Unbelievable. So 38 degrees are now appointing themselves as moral censors, are they? That's the last time I have anything to do with them.

sticklebrix · 24/07/2017 12:57

What?!!

By chance, I still have the deleted petition up in another tab on my browser. Can anyone tell me how to save it? Would like to upload the pics somewhere as proof of the silencing of women.

GahBuggerit · 24/07/2017 12:58

WHAT???? Was that a recent petition?

ThymeLordRegenerates2Spartacus · 24/07/2017 12:58

and now i'm just seeing that the petition was disabled. That has got to be a fucking joke Angry Angry

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2017 12:58

I shall be writing to 38 degrees now

We need to go to the press or something on this

GahBuggerit · 24/07/2017 12:59

Stickle can you do a print screen? Ctrl+Print Screen (top right hand corner of keyboard) and then paste it?

Angry
GhostsToMonsoon · 24/07/2017 12:59

Inappropriate content? I think people are so petrified of being perceived as transphobic or homophobic that it shuts down discussion and ignores women's genuine concerns.

ThymeLordRegenerates2Spartacus · 24/07/2017 12:59

This is seriously starting to frighten me now. We are literally being silenced.

sticklebrix · 24/07/2017 12:59

To clarify, I have the petition up in another tab with its original content still visible, not the deletion message. Would like to save proof of the petition's content not being inappropriate.

Addley · 24/07/2017 12:59

Print screen will capture a picture of your current desktop to the clipboard. Alt+print screen will capture just the active window.

sticklebrix · 24/07/2017 13:00

Thank you GahBuggerit!! Will try that.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 13:00

Can you screenshot it stickle?

Addley · 24/07/2017 13:01

You don't need ctrl.

If you're on Mac btw I think it's cmd+shift.

GahBuggerit · 24/07/2017 13:01

Call me paranoid as well but I'd be tempted to take screenshots of this thread too at regular periods, just so there is a record of the petition existing etc etc (and other reasons of course)

LadyinCement · 24/07/2017 13:02

Ironically it would probably be something the Daily Mail might be interested in. After all, they are really a women's paper and I'm sure the ordinary woman does not realise that this legislation may be sneaked in and threaten their safety, not to mention issues like sport and healthcare.

VestalVirgin · 24/07/2017 13:02

They disabled the petition? Really? Does someone have a screenshot?

We should document all the attacks on freedom of speech made by TRAs.

If change.org crumbles under their pressure, too, I'll have to take my online activism elsewhere.

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2017 13:04

I couldn't go to the Daily Heil Lady Grin

If we have to then it's dark dark days indeed

Fruu · 24/07/2017 13:05

I'm bisexual and have a male partner. I know a lot of heterosexual / bisexual cross dressers and have a few transsexual friends. I'm all for people wearing whatever they like and and presenting however they wish.

However, I've been sexually assaulted by MtF transsexuals before and have heard rumours of the people in question assaulting other women in my community, so I filled in the survey and commented on that and the fact that female-sex spaces should remain female-sex spaces to protect women from assault and rape by predatory MtF transsexuals and men pretending to be transsexual.

I also stated that heterosexual women should be consulted on any changes to legislation that would allow MtF transsexuals access to women's protected spaces and their inclusion in women's sports and statistics.

sticklebrix · 24/07/2017 13:06

Okay I've got screenshots. Thanks for your help everyone.

Possibly not the most up to date version of the petition, as I last looked when there 481 signatures.

Now what to do with them?

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 13:06

Gah, I have a PDF to this point, will sporadically resave so anyone let me know if they want a copy :)

GhostsToMonsoon · 24/07/2017 13:07

I have met David Babbs (executive director of 38 Degrees) in person when I went to some events that he ran for a different organisation (about 10 years ago so he may not remember me). He seemed a very dedicated campaigner and a receptive listener. Maybe I should write to him to complain...

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 13:10

Who wants to set up a 38 degrees petition regarding their censorship of women (who are legally for now still a protected class...)?

busyboysmum · 24/07/2017 13:11

I copied and pasted in quotation marks Samphirelli's outstanding words on an article from the Guardian about this.

The first response I got was this:

Betty Stronach: TEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRF!!!!!

GahBuggerit · 24/07/2017 13:11

Ah brill Beyond, I'd started doing it but my work computer doesn't like being given more than 1 task to do at a time and freezes up Angry

I'm so angry about this. Im absolutely up for some sort of collective protest/sit in/storming a mens only gym session etc