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Gender Self Identity Law coming! MNQH and Mumsnetters: Time to pick a side

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AssignedMentalAtBirth · 23/07/2017 10:09

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40692782

This is going to happen unless we speak out now.

Other thread in feminist chat

Fence sitters everywhere, please read, be aware of what is coming

From the Times:
Tories promote the right to choose your own sex
Transgender reforms for birth certificates
Adults will be able to change their gender legally without a doctor’s diagnosis under government plans that will transform British society.
Men will be able to identify themselves as women — and women as men — and have their birth certificates altered to record their new gender.
Ministers plan to tear up the existing rules that mean people have to live for two years as their desired gender before they can officially change sex.
A consultation on the Gender Recognition Bill, to be published in the autumn, will also include proposals to scrap the requirement that people get a formal medical diagnosis of “gender dysphoria” before applying to switch gender.
Critics warned that allowing people in effect to “self-identify” as a member of the opposite sex, while maintaining the anatomy of their birth gender, would unleash a firestorm of legal cases over access to women-only hospital wards, prisons, lavatories, changing rooms and competitive sports.
Justine Greening, the minister for women and equalities, called the move to give more rights to transgender people the third great “step forward” after equality for women and the legalisation of same-sex marriage in 2013.
The announcement is timed to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1967. Greening said ministers want to “streamline and demedicalise” gender change to make it easier for people to switch their identity legally.
In future people are expected to be required only to make a statutory declaration that they intend to live in the acquired gender until death — in line with arrangements already adopted in Ireland.
The consultation will address whether those whose gender is “non-binary” should also be able to define themselves as “X” on their birth certificates.
A separate consultation in Scotland will go further than England and Wales by recommending that “non-binary” people should be able to define themselves as “X” on passports. It will also propose a cut in the age at which people can change their gender from 18 to 16.
The plans will be controversial. Prominent feminists including Germaine Greer and Dame Jenni Murray, the presenter of Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, have questioned whether men can become women even if they undergo a sex-change operation.
Stephanie Davies-Arai of Transgender Trend, a parents’ group, said: “This has huge implications for women. There will be legal cases. The most worrying thing is if any man can identify as a woman with no tests and gain access to spaces where women might be getting undressed or feel vulnerable — like women’s hospital wards, refuges and rape crisis centres — women will just stop going to these facilities.”
Self-identifying was recommended by a parliamentary committee last year chaired by the former cabinet minister Maria Miller and it has the backing of Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.
Greening also announced the government will make it easier for gay men to give blood. At the moment men who have had sexual contact with other men are barred from donating for 12 months. That will be reduced to three months.

Ministers will launch a national survey of Britain’s estimated 1.5m LGBT people to help inform policy.
The education department has also announced £3m will be spent on “anti-homophobic and transphobic programmes”. Schools, including faith schools, will be required to include LGBT issues in relationships and sex education.
Greening, who is in a relationship with a woman, said: “This government is committed to building an inclusive society that works for everyone, no matter what their gender or sexuality.
“We will build on the significant progress we have made over the past 50 years, tackling some of the historic prejudices that still persist in our laws and giving LGBT people a real say on the issues affecting them.”
Ruth Hunt, chief executive of Stonewall, the lobbying organisation, welcomed the plans. “We need a simple process which isn’t medicalised, intrusive or demeaning,” she said.
The move will put the government on a collision course with some religious groups. Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute said: “It is worrying when the leaders of the main political parties are so out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people.
“Allowing men to self-identify as female without any medical diagnosis allows them to invade the privacy of women and girls.
“It’s time for a reality check. Some things can’t be changed. May and Corbyn want to elevate the principle of ‘gender self-declaration’. But it is wrong, it is anti-scientific and it is dangerous.”
A source who is close to Greening acknowledged that the proposed changes could be problematic. “That’s why we are going to have a consultation, so we can examine all the implications,” the source said.
A Scottish government spokeswoman said it hopes to have “new arrangements in place by 2020”.

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Slimthistime · 24/07/2017 11:25

Is it better to write to Greening rather than local MP? I've talked to him before about this and I don't think he cares.

Mulledwine1 · 24/07/2017 11:26

You can be quite sure that it won't work the other way round. If I self-identify as male and walk into (the front of) a mosque I don't think I would be welcomed with open arms. Nor if I rock up at the Vatican to get the priest application form

Well, quite. Or even when a girl wants to play football and there's only an all-boys team nearby.

Come on people sign the petition. There are only 472 names on it at present.

PrawnTempura · 24/07/2017 11:34

I have just managed to find this petition on change.org too.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 11:36

I seem to have already signed the second one Grin

sticklebrix · 24/07/2017 11:37

Signed it Whatis

sticklebrix · 24/07/2017 11:40

Just signed the Change.org one too (whose wording I prefer, although it's less punchy)

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 24/07/2017 11:51

The change.org petition referred to, somewhat to my disgust, has only 658 signatures. However it was started 10 months ago so has probably lost any momentum it might have had.

It's worth looking for something more recent, or maybe we should start one?

sticklebrix · 24/07/2017 11:52

Ah, I didn't notice the date, Devil

PrawnTempura · 24/07/2017 11:57

Strangely, my 14 (DD) thinks I'm being very "unaccepting" Shock

She's young (and naive IMO) and thinks these men-in-women's-spaces scenarios are unlikely extremes Sad

colouringinagain · 24/07/2017 11:58

Signed both but feel powerless. This is completely horrendous and I feel like I'm about to live in a Margaret Atwood novel Sad

fakenamefornow · 24/07/2017 11:58

I bet they receive so few signatures because people are afraid to share them.

OlennasWimple · 24/07/2017 12:02

If you write to your MP, they should send it on to Justine Greening and you shoudl get a response (in due course, back through your MP) from a minister. if you write direct to Justine Greening, you will probably get a response from a civil servant in the DfE

hackmum · 24/07/2017 12:07

"If I self-identify as male and walk into (the front of) a mosque I don't think I would be welcomed with open arms. Nor if I rock up at the Vatican to get the priest application form."

This is so so true. And as mentioned earlier in the thread, they're not going to change the inheritance rules so that a daughter who decides to self-identify as male takes precedence over a younger son who is biologically male. Funny that.

And what about male-only clubs? There are a handful left. If a woman suddenly decides she's actually a man, is she going to be allowed in?

hackmum · 24/07/2017 12:08

Also, it really worries me that Labour are supporting this as well as the Tories. You can bet your last dollar that the Lib Dems and Greens will be supporting it too. Is there any parliamentary party who might be willing to listen to reason?

venusinscorpio · 24/07/2017 12:10

I get that you want to be nice and 'inclusive', but for the love of God, give yourself a shake, apply reason and add science to your thoughts.

This.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 12:17

Greens are already miles down the gender rabbit hole.

Whatisthisshit · 24/07/2017 12:26

Prawn my teenagers were unaccepting of this and saw the drawbacks before I did. They also go to school with some children (male) who are very vocally anti this from a science/common sense POV. It's a very left leaning area, I suspect most of the 'right on' parents are supportive of this but teenagers are starting to rebel so I have some hope Smile

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 24/07/2017 12:30

hack
"And what about male-only clubs? There are a handful left. If a woman suddenly decides she's actually a man, is she going to be allowed in?"

Yes I can just see the members of the Garrick club letting women in. NOT! The same fucking MPs who will vote for this shit

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Whatisthisshit · 24/07/2017 12:44

Are you shitting me the petition was disabled???

SummerKelly · 24/07/2017 12:47

Yes I can just see the members of the Garrick club letting women in.

But presumably they will have to. I've been thinking that direct action is needed around this - going into men's clubs, changing rooms, toilets etc. would be great at raising the issue. Trouble is how many of us feel too scared to do it?

enoughisenough12 · 24/07/2017 12:48

Yup - obviously the erasure of women and abolition of our spaces is of no interest to 38 degrees.

Silencing of women big time isn't it?

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 24/07/2017 12:51

Fuck them

"38 Degrees People Power Change" - MY ARSE!

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BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 12:54
Angry

Riots and strikes it is then.

Gender Self Identity Law coming! MNQH and Mumsnetters: Time to pick a side
LadyinCement · 24/07/2017 12:56

Prob men wouldn't care that much about women invading their spaces - it might be seen as rather amusing. Otoh I see nothing amusing about finding a bloke in the cubicle next to me in an otherwise deserted public lavatory. I would freak out if it were today, but if it's in a year's time I wouldn't even be able to look horrified and run out as I would be guilty of hurting his feelings.

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2017 12:57

The petition was disabled?

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

So we really, really, really aren't allowed a voice then?