to think that schoolchildren should not have to wear a sign saying they have 24hrs to get their uniform sorted?

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www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/17/school-makes-pupils-wear-signs-if-uniform-doesnt-meet-standards

The idea being that by wearing a sign, it makes teachers aware that the pupil is aware of the issue and is going to get it sorted.

But I think that wearing a sign just also highlights issues and makes the pupils a potential target.

There are loads of reasons why a uniform might not be up to scratch in the morning. Not all of them are under the pupils' control.

Smile "Because one of the ways to enforce uniform is by all staff challenging incorrect uniform - otherwise you aren't enforcing it."

But that is only one way of doing it. Make the kids proud to wear the uniform, not embarrassed, be positive and proactive by all means. But really making an issue out of every uniform 'fail; seems to me way over the top!

I am afraid if all the teachers are looking out for all the kids' uniforms all the time, it's a total waste of time, IMHO.

"It's NOT to make kids feel embarrassed. Why would that be part of a school's decision." Schools do a lot of things that make kids very very embarrassed. I don't think they do it on purpose, I think they do not realize that these things will cause embarrassment. I would say almost certainly to some children, not to all.

DrHorribletookmycherry "The staff have to wear lanyards. The visitors have to wear them. It's a resource at hand for staff to communicate that child has already been reprimanded for breaking rules they signed along with their parents for a home/ school agreement."

Do the staff ones say things like "I didn't hand my child reports in on time, or 'I've got work pending I still need to give in@? Do the visitor ones say "I am guilty of speeding on my way to this appointment" or "These shoes don't go with this dress." If not, then why should the kids need to announce to the world what the 'issue' is with them.

"If that child was reprimanded more than once no doubt these would be the EXACT SAME parents complaining." The child doesn't need to be reprimanded for having the wrong shoes on by multiple people. The tutor could talk to the child about their shoes or whatever.

"Because the rules are consistent but a number will always think they and their children are a special case because of x/y/z." Some children do have special issues, like being less well off, having issues going on at home etc.

By the way, my dd has never been accused of not having the right uniform. It is not an issue for her. But it is for some families and it just adds pressure to an already difficult situation, IMHO.

why should the kids need to announce to the world what the 'issue' is with them.

Actually, this isn't such a bad idea. Kids are always whining that so-and-so gets away with whatever misdemeanour they've been picked up for. If it's clear that Stacey from Y10 actually isn't allowed to wear skinny jeans and that the rules do apply to everyone, then they might actually just accept it.

Should I need to wear a lanyard saying I have had a speeding ticket?

But the lanyard isn't about anything historical, it's someone who is currently breaking the rules and it shows that those in charge are aware and it is being dealt with.

Like a 'police aware' sticker on a burned out car at the side of the road to save people constantly reporting it to the police.

"Like a 'police aware' sticker on a burned out car" that kind of says why it is a horrible, horrible idea.

Those in favour of school uniform claim that enforcing it never takes up much teacher time! What a lie that gives to that claim!

What utter ridiculousness.

Dr. I'm sure teacher lanyards don't shame teachers - unlike the pupil ones. Do we really want to use shame as a discipline method? What message is the school really sending out to our young people? Our young people should learn it's ok to shame people into behaving.

You'd prefer the time-wasting of constant reporting then, italian? Which is also visible.

noble I'd prefer to do away with school uniform. I have yet to hear a sound reason why it is so very necessary in the UK but not other successful education systems.

pointy but that's irrelevant as this school has a uniform.

Parents tend to equate smart uniform with better school

Is that because of 'association' with tradition like grammar schools?

Maybe it's causation?

There is someone wearing a smart uniform - so it gives the idea of tradition and where rules are imposed.

If we had a 'tradition' like France, Germany and Holland of no school uniform, people wouldn't have that tradition to look at. Nothing to associate school uniform with.

I know 1 school that does not have school uniform. And there's no issues at the school about what's worn,competitiveness etc.

But people associate uniform with tradition and public schools etc

So maybe we need to educate parents who value substance over style to let go of the obsession with 'smart' = better education. Because it's, well, bollocks.

I just wonder how long that is going to take - my guess is it will be like turning round an oil tanker.

If the school is going to have any uniform it needs to be enforced.

And plenty of parents and students like having a uniform.

At secondary school level surely most cases of wrong hair accessory or too short skirt will be originating with the child,rather than with a family struggling with uniform provision? Not shoes etc necessarily though.

But I think the whole fuss about uniform is silly,and the simplistic view that smart uniform = academic success = better life is a load of rubbish. Particularly I've always liked the idea that sixth form students need to wear smart business dress to prepare them for....well,in a lot of cases university where amazingly people manage to learn wearing just whatever they want.
Yes,tackle low level disruption,but I don't think this has to include obsessing about uniform standards,it's a waste of everyone's time and mental energy.
IMO!

You know, all those saying the lanyard is shaming and highlighting kids - the uniform transgressions ARE VISIBLE ALREADY.
X has giant white trainers
Y has skinny black jeans

People CAN ALREADY SEE. The lanyard just tells staff that the child has spoke to the appropriate person in school about the uniform issue.

Seriously. Can you not see that?

For me uniform should be practical and allow for physical movement during playtimes/lessons. Can't see why infant aged kids can't just wear a polo neck and joggers/shorts with trainers.

Having the wrong coloured hair band shouldn't be made to be shameful. Yes everyone can see the hair band is a different colour. No big deal.

noblegirraff (a great name, I love giraffes) I actually believe in school uniform. I think a simple, basic uniform is a good idea, it can set a school identity and make life easier for pupils and parents. If it is not overpriced or over the top (top hats and tails etc would be over the top!)

However, if a large amount of teacher time is taken up with enforcing the uniform I feel this is bad and helpful. I do not believe it is every teachers' job to speak to every pupil about their uniform.

Since most schools don't seem to wear a sign about the pupils, I am guessing it is not a universal issue.

A sign can be shaming. It may not intend to be, but it can be.

It appears you only need a sign if you think it is the job of every teacher to be constantly vigilant about every pupils 'attire'. Even if this means only noticing an infringement and then reading a lanyard that is a massive waste of time and energy, surely?

The firm tutir, at start of day can notice any 'infringement', tell pupil they need to fix XYZ by tomorrow. if it requires purchase of an item then that will require aninternrt sale and delivery or visit of parent to shop so they should be allowed a set number of days to fix problem.

If the family have fiancial issues the school should have a discrete fund or way to help pupil.

All done in a 'support the uniform' not 'you are shit' sort of way, IMHO

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Penggwn

Yes obviously. That is my point, why the "huh?"

A strong argument against uniform is that an enormous amount of teaching time is wasted enforcing it, where in European schools without uniform approximately no teaching time at all is spent on discussing the children's clothing.

Those teachers who are in favour of uniforms (not all are by any means, and as an ex teacher who now sends my children to non uniform schools in a country where school uniforms are rare I am not) will then pipe up and claim very little teaching time is actually wasted on enforcing uniform rules. It just isn't true in most cases.

Needing something as draconian as this clearly shows that in this school a massive amount of teaching time must be being wasted on enforcing uniforms.

If there were no uniforms, once the children had got used to it and over the initial "mufti day" hysteria, there would be no teaching time lost fussing over what the children were wearing - it simply wouldn't matter.

call me whatever but if there is a rule, pupils and parents should follow it.

Schools who have a school uniform policy should make sure that all pupils follow the policy. No exception. If it takes a badge to make sure that the child sticks to the rules, then so be it.

Our school has a uniform policy but somehow 'tolerates' with no consequences whatsoever all sorts of clothing. Latest trend is for boys to wear (guess what) very expensive branded black trainers. And the kids brag about how expensive and cool their shoes are. A bit unfair for the kids who have to wear their super uncool Clark shoes...

So if there is a rule, the school should find a way to enforce it. I'd be fine if my kids' school would do this to be honest.