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AIBU or is ex husbands wife-to-be overstepping the mark?

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ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 13:26

I am divorced, have 3 children with ex, and a very amicable (on the whole) relationship with him.

We have both moved on and have new partners, both happy. He is getting married to his GF at the end of this year.

She is younger than him, no kids of her own yet and is very fond of, and good with mine. However, I find her insensitive and a bit crass and over bearing at times. She is very opinionated, particularly regarding the kids. And she definitely wears the trousers in their relationship.

I will try and give some examples.

When she and ex had only been dating for a couple of months, she found and booked holiday activities / clubs for my kids. With his consent, it should be said, and on his time with them. But I didn't feel it was her place to do this when she had been around for such a short time.

She pressured my daughter to get a hair cut (she is 14) because she felt it needed it because of supposed split ends (there were hardly any!) My daughter was against a cut and wanted to grow it (I asked her what she wanted). My ex was texting me loads about it (like he has EVER given a jot about her hair!) and I said I wasn't happy and that if and when she (my daughter) wanted her hair cut I would sort it out, that the GF was absolutely not to organise it. A couple of weeks later daughter came back from a weekend at theirs with 3 inches lopped off and cried after she washed it as it bounced up even shorter (it is naturally curly so looked much shorter after the blow dry had been washed out).

She frequently dictates his emails / texts to me regarding arrangements / the kids / the money. I don't know if she physically gets hold of his phone, or whether she dictates and he writes it, but I know my ex and I know his tone and turn of phrase and I can spot a GF email a mile off. Plus, she has tripped herself up when talking to me and repeated, verbatim an opinion SHE has about something that I have already had via text /email from my ex husband (supposedly).

The children have all said that she is very lovely and nice to them, but when she doesn't get her way (and it can be over something REALLY trivial) she literally sulks for the entire day. Staying in a closed room and not coming out sort of thing. Their Dad tip toeing around her and trying to cajole her out of it. Sometimes it has lasted all weekend and the kids hate the atmosphere. Once, she took to her bedroom and stayed there all day because she was excited about wanting to make a thai beef salad for lunch for them all and my kids hate thai and asked politely whether they could have something else.

(I should say here that my eldest is 20 and he has witnessed all of this, so it is not coming from a little child who may have misinterpreted things)

I had a recent request from my ex about something. We had a discussion over a cuppa, and we agreed the route forward. I specifically said I would ONLY agree to what he was proposing as long as the children were not told. He totally agreed that was the right thing, and proper way to do things. That very evening the GF announced to the children over dinner in a very showy 'I have something I want to tell you' way. I KNOW my ex and I know that he has allowed her to over rule on this because in her opinion her way is the best way. I feel she deliberately undermined me.

Writing this they all sound like minor things and in the bigger picture I know that they are and that the kids being happy around her and her caring about them and making them feel welcome are the most important thing.

Maybe she will back off a bit when she has her own
?

Should I get a grip??

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MrsPorth · 11/07/2017 16:23

I had a tantrummy and sulky mother. My dad dealt with it by working or by going for a long run, whilst I had to deal with her. It's really hard for children, even maturer ones, to stand up to tiresome people like this. Often, it's easier to acquiesce, especially when the other adult is weak. So, whilst I agree that a 14yo is capable of selecting her own hairstyle, it's not so simple in this case.

AvoidingCallenetics · 11/07/2017 16:26

The thing is she is not being good to the children. As soon as she doesn't get her own way she sulks amd refuses to talk to them. And he is a crap dad. His job is to protect his dc, not continuously expose them to her drama llama behaviour and allow her to undermine decisions that their actual parents have already made.

Janeismymiddlename · 11/07/2017 16:32

Yes you should get a grip. She's your ex's choice and if he's happy for her to write his texts/book stuff on his behalf then it's his business

Only on mumsnet, eh? In any other world, one partner dictating communication with others would be considered a massive red flag. At the very least it is controlling behaviour and as such, very concerning in any relationship.

MatildaTheCat · 11/07/2017 16:34

She's insecure and a sulker but largely that will be exs problem. Your dc's will unfortunately have to learn to navigate her ways.

The announcement she made would have annoyed me more than the haircut. You made a decision as parents and she changed that without telling you. That's cheekyfuckerdom. I would certainly have called her on that. And when emails come from her parading as him just reply, 'Hi GF' so they know.

You have to try to remain civil but she sounds hard work. The elder two will probably vote with their feet or just go out a lot when staying but the youngest will have less choice. Would it help at all if she was included in some of the decision making conversations so she felt less need to be somehow Most Inportant Woman? Maybe not.

alltouchedout · 11/07/2017 16:37

Other than the fact that she regularly engages in emotional abuse to get her way or to punish those around her when she doesn't, yeah, the GF sounds great. Hmm

CruCru · 11/07/2017 16:46

I actually think this sounds rather creepy. Some of the stuff I am a bit "meh" about but the sulking?!? An adult who sulks and is prepared to keep it up for any length of time is very strange indeed.

If it were someone your children didn't have to see, I would be tempted to say that whenever she sulks, they should say (loudly) "Are you SULKING?!?! How boring!" However, this is something that I would not have been able to do (or pull off) at fourteen.

A more tactful way of dealing with this might be for the 20 year old to sit down with their father and say that the sulking is getting out of hand. In order to do this, the 20 year old will need to have "proper" examples with dates - otherwise there is no way their father will listen.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 11/07/2017 16:58

well, she is here to stay

so it might be that the relationship becomes less "amicable" and more "transactional"

its a real shame actually, and most of all for your kids.

but if its getting annoying you might want to decide some lines in the sand and very gently manage around them.

Gently gravitate to a medium of communication that includes everyone, she clearly wants to be involved. and try and manage things in writing

how about a what's app that's got all 3 of you in it, as that way everything is in writing and she cannot feel threatened by any comms between you and your Ex (as that ,might be what's behind this)

avoid confrontations for now and adapt a watch and listen approach

she might be a nice but controlling woman, she might be a freak

PyongyangKipperbang · 11/07/2017 17:00

Exactly how old is the GF?

diddl · 11/07/2017 17:00

" threw a tantrum and caused an embarrassment in front of her friends."

The daughter was justifiably upset.

The GF sounds more like an embarrassment!

ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 17:33

GF is 33 or 34 I think.

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ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 17:34

Old enough to not behave like a child herself when she doesn't get her own way!

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gingergenius · 11/07/2017 17:39

Omg I am going through this with my exh gf. She insinuated to my dd that we had bedbugs because I probably wasn't changing the sheets as often as I should!!! My daughter started asking me to change the sheets every day because was so freaked out! She also does the same re: sulking in her room if the kids don't want to do things her way!
No advice but feel your pain OP!

cluelessnewmum · 11/07/2017 17:50

I think you just need to acknowledge to your children that the GF has a different "way" of going on, without sounding overly critical. They will need to just practice being more assertive and saying politely no thank you and changing the subject.

Maybe in future you'll just have to play "bad cop" more and text her when her pressure is getting too much to ask her to back off, therefore protecting your dc's relationship with her.

Your 14yo has learnt the hard way to be more assertive with her, I think you'll just have to view it as a life lesson for them. At least they will all grow up and probably not see her as much, as other have said your ex is setting himself up for a hard and miserable life.

troodiedoo · 11/07/2017 17:51

I get you OP, I have a friend like this and can totally understand why her dp's ex gets the hump with her. I think it's just a combination of personality clash and trying a bit too hard, there is no malice intended.

Janeismymiddlename · 11/07/2017 17:56

there is no malice intended

Really? Cutting a young person's hair when you have clearly been told no? Promising a young person they can attend an activity and the not bothering and not even saying sorry?

Both very deliberate. Both aimed at hurting a young person directly (and a parent indirectly). Plenty of malice from my point of view.

flapjackfairy · 11/07/2017 17:58

Perhaps the girlfriend is so controlling to your kids as a way of controlling her fiance. He has cheated, she knows that and has no control in the long term as to whether or not he does it again. She is trying to control everything in his life including his kids to give herself the illusion that she has the upper hand ??

another20 · 11/07/2017 18:03

OP have you challenged or called out the GF on XH on the hair cut issue?

Or do you feel that you need to tip-toe around her as well?

phoenixtherabbit · 11/07/2017 18:05

How on earth do you know it is her dictating? Does your ex tell you that she tells him what to write etc?

indigox · 11/07/2017 18:07

She's your ex's choice and if he's happy for her to write his texts/book stuff on his behalf then it's his business.

Haha, there was a new GF writing emails to her bfs soon to be ex wife in his placeon AIBU a few weeks ago, naturally she was told she was wrong to be doing so. Now its the other way around the OP is wrong to be annoyed?

MargaretTwatyer · 11/07/2017 18:12

The daughter was justifiably upset.

If a child behaved like that when they were with their own mother and missed a lesson everybody on here would be calling her an entitled little madam and probably telling the DM to cancel the lessons. Because it's a SM she has to suck it up.

I'm not quite sure what going to her room and 'sulking' is either. It could well be that she sometimes feels it's better to withdraw from her stepchildren when things are tense rather than let the situation escalate into an argument.

ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 18:32

MargaretTwatyer - sorry,no I don't agree that it would be different if she was at the rounders with no step mum and had been lied to. It is the letting DD down over standing up to his GF that is wrong.

Actually, do you know the GF? The rounders thing may well have given me away.

My 20 year old is a mature, astute young man and says the GF acts like a sulky spoiled brat if she doesn't get her way. The retreating to her room is for the purposes of making everyone around her know she is in a strop and to get ex to dance around trying to placate her. My son has seen it many times.

He also says that the dynamic between GF and ex shifted after he cheated, she left him then agreed to go back to him. In his words the GF has him by the short and curlies.

He has also said (and this makes me sad) that ex will never ever take the children's part over the ex.

He has wronged her, she came back on her terms and he will forever be playing the part of the contrite wrong dooer. ( mutual friends of both mine and the ex's who love us both have reiterated the same. She is controlling and he lets her because he has been a bad boy and almost lost her.)

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ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 18:33

That should read:

Ex will never take children's part over his GF.

Sorry

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SoupDragon · 11/07/2017 18:38

If a child behaved like that when they were with their own mother and missed a lesson everybody on here would be calling her an entitled little madam and probably telling the DM to cancel the lessons.

Rubbish.

phoenixtherabbit · 11/07/2017 18:41

That is your son's opinion though. How do you know that your ex doesn't actually sometimes agree with his gf over the children? Not to placate her but because that's what he actually thinks?

The fact she "controls" him (you don't know she does) because he cheated on her is entirely his own fault isn't it?

You're only getting one side of the story here and whilst you might not like the attitude you think she has, there is nothing you can do about it

If your children decide they dislike her - fine.

She (and her behaviour) really don't have much to do with you.

Getoutofthatgarden · 11/07/2017 19:28

Actually I think your daughter behaved extremely badly over the horse riding

There's always one. Don't be silly now.