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AIBU or is ex husbands wife-to-be overstepping the mark?

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ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 13:26

I am divorced, have 3 children with ex, and a very amicable (on the whole) relationship with him.

We have both moved on and have new partners, both happy. He is getting married to his GF at the end of this year.

She is younger than him, no kids of her own yet and is very fond of, and good with mine. However, I find her insensitive and a bit crass and over bearing at times. She is very opinionated, particularly regarding the kids. And she definitely wears the trousers in their relationship.

I will try and give some examples.

When she and ex had only been dating for a couple of months, she found and booked holiday activities / clubs for my kids. With his consent, it should be said, and on his time with them. But I didn't feel it was her place to do this when she had been around for such a short time.

She pressured my daughter to get a hair cut (she is 14) because she felt it needed it because of supposed split ends (there were hardly any!) My daughter was against a cut and wanted to grow it (I asked her what she wanted). My ex was texting me loads about it (like he has EVER given a jot about her hair!) and I said I wasn't happy and that if and when she (my daughter) wanted her hair cut I would sort it out, that the GF was absolutely not to organise it. A couple of weeks later daughter came back from a weekend at theirs with 3 inches lopped off and cried after she washed it as it bounced up even shorter (it is naturally curly so looked much shorter after the blow dry had been washed out).

She frequently dictates his emails / texts to me regarding arrangements / the kids / the money. I don't know if she physically gets hold of his phone, or whether she dictates and he writes it, but I know my ex and I know his tone and turn of phrase and I can spot a GF email a mile off. Plus, she has tripped herself up when talking to me and repeated, verbatim an opinion SHE has about something that I have already had via text /email from my ex husband (supposedly).

The children have all said that she is very lovely and nice to them, but when she doesn't get her way (and it can be over something REALLY trivial) she literally sulks for the entire day. Staying in a closed room and not coming out sort of thing. Their Dad tip toeing around her and trying to cajole her out of it. Sometimes it has lasted all weekend and the kids hate the atmosphere. Once, she took to her bedroom and stayed there all day because she was excited about wanting to make a thai beef salad for lunch for them all and my kids hate thai and asked politely whether they could have something else.

(I should say here that my eldest is 20 and he has witnessed all of this, so it is not coming from a little child who may have misinterpreted things)

I had a recent request from my ex about something. We had a discussion over a cuppa, and we agreed the route forward. I specifically said I would ONLY agree to what he was proposing as long as the children were not told. He totally agreed that was the right thing, and proper way to do things. That very evening the GF announced to the children over dinner in a very showy 'I have something I want to tell you' way. I KNOW my ex and I know that he has allowed her to over rule on this because in her opinion her way is the best way. I feel she deliberately undermined me.

Writing this they all sound like minor things and in the bigger picture I know that they are and that the kids being happy around her and her caring about them and making them feel welcome are the most important thing.

Maybe she will back off a bit when she has her own
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Should I get a grip??

OP posts:
HoHoHoHo · 11/07/2017 14:22

I am a bit confused why you have a problem with her arranging holiday activities for your kids. She had the permission of their parent (your ex) to do so. I actually think this say more about your ex being lazy and leaving the organisation of children up to the women than her being crass.

The haircut thing is odd but unless your daughter is very meek I imagine she went along with it then cried because it was shorter than she thought. I have very curly hair so I understand her pain as this happened to me I was 12. I cried for days.

The sulking sounds awful but I would imagine it has been exaggerated and it is none of your business as long as it isn't adversely affecting your children. Maybe let them know they don't have to cajole her and should leave her to it.

The one thing I think is worrying is her overriding decisions about things to tell the children. However, if your ex agreed with his DP that it was the best way then he didn't agree with you and you ignored his objections and expected your opinion to trump his. He might have a type for overbearing women ... Wink

ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 14:23

Allthebestnamesareused

Jealous? Really??

My ex is a serial cheat who cheated on my throughout the marriage. I finally had the courage to divorce him when the children were older. Never happier. No more checking his phone after business trips, no more worried friends telling me that they have heard another rumour about him and another woman...

He has cheated already on new GF (she knows) and they split up and got back and are now getting married. That is her choice.

He is a fantastic father. I will give him that. We are friends now and have a great relationship.

I have been with my new partner for 4 years and we have the best fun, and are planning a future together. I have never loved anyone the way I love him. And to be with someone and not keep looking over your shoulder like I did throughout my marriage - well that is just priceless!

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chocorabbit · 11/07/2017 14:23

What BenLui said. I never knew how to say no to my peers, let alone adults, although thankfully, I was never really pressurised. It's is very hard for some people to say no so refusing and smiling, or even passing the responsibility to "my mum" while the other person resorts to sulking is a useful life skill.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/07/2017 14:23

WannaBe

Op is giving her some bloody freedom, her dd said no and op didn't discuss it any further with her. I don't think the gf is on this thread, she's the menace.

BarbarianMum · 11/07/2017 14:25

Well, if your ex texted you telling you not to get dd's hair cut and he would sort it but dd wanted you to do it (or at least said she did) what would you do?

She's 14. She needs to be the one making decisions here, not you, not your ex, not his missus. She needs to learn bodily autonomy and quickly. Lucky for her she only ended up with a couple of inches less hair - if it had been a friend she couldn't say no to it could have been a dodgy dye job or (in my case) an extra ear piercing.

another20 · 11/07/2017 14:25

No you dont need to get a grip - she sounds like she has some level of NPD - but you do need to understand where you can have impact and where you cant.

GF is showing you who she is - as is your XH.

Listen, look and learn. Talk to your kids about the dynamic and how to observe classic patterns and then manage it in general terms.

They need to see that it is not personal to them - and how they can protect themselves from her behaviour.

You know the lay of the land with your XH now - so just be one step ahead.

Watch out for the 11 year old especially and I would be extra vigilent once babies come along of that is the plan.

Lemonnaise · 11/07/2017 14:26

She's fourteen. If she wants a haircut it's down to her to have it done, or not

But 14 year old did decide, she said she didn't want a haircut, dad was told this but G/F decided to go ahead anyway and manipulate 14 year old.

jempuddleduck · 11/07/2017 14:29

The daughter did say no to the haircut. The GF went ahead regardless.
With people who have narcissistic traits/ are very manipulative it is genuinely very hard for a child or young person to say no, impossible for a shy child or one who is very keen to please. This does not sound like a reasonable, flexible person who will listen to others.

BarbarianMum · 11/07/2017 14:32

Doesn't sound like manipulation, it sounds like gf pressured her. And OP's dd wanted to please gf, so she agreed. There is no suggestion that she was shouted at, or held down or threatened. 14 year olds are under constant pressure to do/not do stuff- from parents, from friends, from their peers, from social media. Most are very capable at resisting parental pressure, esp when it comes to their appearance.

WannaBe · 11/07/2017 14:33

No, the DD is fourteen. Her relationship with her dad's new partner is between them. At fourteen I certainly don't think that permissions should be sought for new GF to do x or y or for DD to have her hair cut at her dad's house etc. She's old enough to make her own decisions on that score and a mother being upset that a new gf organised a hair cut for a fourteen year old is just as controlling.

I think that having discussions about the new partner is often natural - it might not be nice but it's normal to e.g. Talk to someone about x who "sulks for days if they don't get their own way." You just roll your eyes and say "well, to each their own, I'd just leave them to it." Unless the new gf is physically abusing the younger children the rest is all just chatter about her personality which the children have observed.

The ex presumably knows what she's like and has still chosen to tell her things which she then revealed in front of the DC. That's for him to deal with.

I frequently roll my eyes at some of the stuff my DS tells me about eXH's DP. But ultimately she's his choice of partner and if that's the relationship he wants then good luck to him.

Lemonnaise · 11/07/2017 14:36

At fourteen I certainly don't think that permissions should be sought for new GF to do x or y or for DD to have her hair cut at her dad's house etc.

What are you talking about? DD was asked did she want her hair cut, she said no...G/F wasn't happy with this so pressured DD into it.

WannaBe · 11/07/2017 14:37

And at fourteen I'd be taking claims that she was pressured into doing it with a pinch of salt. Far more likely that she said the same thing to both of you and then when she didn't like it she blamed the ex. I'd put money on the likelihood that if she'd had a haircut on the OP's watch which she didn't like she'd have been telling her dad and the GF that her mum thought it would be a good idea to have it done like that.

SoupDragon · 11/07/2017 14:37

Why on earth are people saying the DD agreed to the haircut therefore all is fine? It sounds like she was bullied into it!

The GF sounds like a control freak. Your children's hair is none of her business.

chocorabbit · 11/07/2017 14:38

It appears to me that the OP seems to understand and respect her DD's wishes about her hair while the GF tries to suppress any freedom or creativity. As PPs have said, being manipulated is toxic and can create low confidence and children who try to conform and please everybody but are not happy.

My parents had lots of control over me, I was forced to wear clothes which I hated, I had short hair which didn't suit me and everybody was making fun of me for years. I was never bullied but I could see my classmates and other students distancing themselves from me. The OP is letting her DD choose her hairstyle and let's accept that by saying "I will see when DD needs a haircut" is actually an excuse from the OP so the GF will leave her alone. I have witnessed many children giving similar excuses "oh.. my mum needs to approve" etc. when it simply is a convenient excuse to refuse what you are asking them to do.

Whatsername17 · 11/07/2017 14:38

I think the gf sounds like hard work. If she were posting on here complaining that the mother would not get her child hair cut when it needs it then people would be telling her to leave the parenting to the parents. There is being involved and there is being forceful. She is the latter. She's probably insecure about her relationship and controlling everything is her way of coping.

Fluffycloudland77 · 11/07/2017 14:39

Well she sounds a pita & I'd be livid too about being undermined.

Hopefully they'll have kids and she'll leave yours alone then.

WannaBe · 11/07/2017 14:39

Children know if their parents don't like each other or if they don't like a new partner.

The children go home to OP and talk about the new GF and the things they don't like about her because they know they'll get sympathy for their cause at home.

Likely if they have a row with OP's new partner they go to their dad's and tell him about all the things about him they don't like as wel....

And the haircut shouldn't even have been a decision for the parents to make. There shouldn't even have been a conversation along the lines of gf wanting to book a haircut for a fourteen year old those decisions should be down to the fourteen year old...

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/07/2017 14:40

WannaBe. Are you the gf? Hmm

ElizabethHurleysSafetyPins · 11/07/2017 14:41

WannaBe - you are missing the point.

Had DD wanted to get a hair cut I wouldn't give a rats' arse who organised it/ took her/ who's weekend it was done on.

She DIDN'T.

GF and ex knew this. GF pressured her, DD got a haircut she didn't want and was upset.

Ex knew DD didn't want one and allowed GF to pressure DD.

That I am not OK with.

DD has probably learnt something from this whole thing, but what the fuck is wrong with the GF that she totally ignores everyone else around her, and pushed DD for something that SHE wants her to have done? It;s weird.

WTF has DD's hair got to do with her that she has to be so pushy about it?

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jempuddleduck · 11/07/2017 14:43

Er, there are other forms of manipulation without having to shout/ threaten, etc.
The OP's daughter said no to the haircut, the OP agreed. I'm not understanding why some posters are suggesting that the OP is controlling.

It is also not normal to sulk for a whole day about minor things. It is deeply unpleasant for everyone else.

chocorabbit · 11/07/2017 14:44

BarbarianMum, just because she wasn't physically abused into accepting it doesn't mean that she wasn't forced. There are some very "nice" people who exercise lots of control. Most of us think of rebellious, off the hooks teenagers who will lie and exaggerate "oh, this horrible woman forced me to do it" but not all of them are like that. Some teenagers, or even adults get pressured into obeying their peers and do lots of foolish things. So why can't they get bullied by an adult with much more experience in life?

AvoidingCallenetics · 11/07/2017 14:46

Sometimes I wonder what thread people are reading, because it doesn't seem to be the same one as me!
I am with the OP - it is up to her and her exh to make arrangements for their children. The gf has no business even having an opinion about the hair length of someone else's child.
I too would be massively annoyed at reaching an agreement with my children's father and then having some woman, who has no legal pr for them, overruling what I had decided. At this point she isn't even their step parent!
I would do what was suggested above and ask to speak to your ex directly, when she sends emails on his behalf. Even if you have to ring him and talk in person.
And yy, to teaching your kids that they don't have to appease sulkers, that it is childish, pathetic behaviour and should not be indulged.
The time will come though, if she is a total pita that your dc will simply decide not to visit. I hope your exh locates his spine before she drives his children away.

I would let the booking activities in dad's time go though. He is being a lazy arse and passing his responsibilities onto her. More fool her for allowing it.

Lemonnaise · 11/07/2017 14:46

And the haircut shouldn't even have been a decision for the parents to make

Omg, I'll say it again. The 14 year old decided, on her own, she did NOT want a haircut. OP did NOT decide her daughter wasn't having a haircut.

AvoidingCallenetics · 11/07/2017 14:49

Wannabe if this decision isn't for a parent to make, then it definitely isn't for dad's gf to decide either!

Lemonnaise · 11/07/2017 14:49

There is no suggestion that she was shouted at, or held down or threatened

Manipulation is usually much more subtle and sneaky than that^, that sounds like outright abuse you're talking about.