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He's scared of flying: AIBU to want my DP to fly before we get married

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Wawawaa · 10/07/2017 13:32

Sorry, long post... My DP developed a fear of flying about 10 years ago and hasn't flown for that amount of time. We've been together for about three years and he's always portrayed this as something quite mild and that he's not opposed to flying but that he just prefers to travel by train/boat etc.

I like to think of myself as quite an adventurous person who has lived in other places and although I don't go on many holidays I like to explore new places.

To date in our relationship, we've only been on holiday to places that we could go to by train which has limited our choice and made trips a bit more draining and also shorter than they could have been (like 12 hour train journeys to places in France, effectively cutting two days off the holiday).

We are planning on getting married in September and I feel as though he owes me a flight before we get married. AIBU?

I've suggested a holiday flying to Nice in France and although at first he said yes, he then said no because "it's too expensive" (I managed plan it down to £250 for five days including flights and airbnb). He is now suggesting somewhere in the UK but is insisting on hotels which will cost a lot more... and has since admitted that he just doesn't want to fly and that "now is just not a good time" for him to fly.

I'm worried we'll have an odd kind of marriage like a couple I know where one is scared to fly and the other does lots of interesting things all by himself. It's almost a kind of non-relationship imo.

My DP has never painted his fear of flying as such a major thing so AIBU to feel that he now owes me a flight (so to speak) on our next break? (If I'd had known at the start of the relationship that he would potentially never ever fly anywhere, I might have considered not dating him, although that's now not an option).

On another note, he tells people casually at work and in job interviews where flying is required, that he doesn't like flying and so is of course discounted from getting these roles. He seems to think it's quite a normal thing, not to like flying - I don't love it myself but I still fly. Is this an odd thing to admit to and to actually be so afraid that your fear of flying outweighs your curiosity about the world, interest in other cultures, opportunity for interesting new jobs etc? Or am I just being very non-understanding?

He has told me that his ex was very annoyed about him not flying, so was probably one things that contributed to their break up... He has been on a course about it before but didn't get on the flight at the end. He's not keen on doing another course or hypnosis as "it'll be another thing on his to do list".

In my mind I'd like us to be the type of people to trek through the mountains in some far flung place with a baby in a sling (yes, probably unrealistic anyway but I like the thought). AIBU to feel that he sort of owes me a bit of effort and to step out of his comfort zone (as I have done, using up half my annual leave on cramped train journeys) before we say "I do"?

OP posts:
mogulfield · 10/07/2017 20:22

I used to be phobic of flying and was agoraphobic too. The things that have helped me ;
forcing myself on a plane as much as possible.
Drinking beforehand when I need to (not all the time, and only ever 1 or 2)
A course of CBT did wonders
Meditation
Marrying my DH; he's an airline pilot so that helped, as he's not scared at all, he flies loads and knows how safe it is and he's explained a lot of the physics to me.
He can get over it, I was pretty bad to be honest and can now do long flights (carribean/India).
I just wanted to provide you with a hopeful outlook Op.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/07/2017 21:05

Mogul, I love that you were phobic of flying yet married an airline pilot!

Motoko · 10/07/2017 21:22

In my mind I'd like us to be the type of people to trek through the mountains in some far flung place with a baby in a sling (yes, probably unrealistic anyway but I like the thought).

He obviously doesn't have the same dreams as you. He needs to be honest with you, so you can decide whether to go into this marriage.

Having said that, maybe he really believes that he will deal with it at some point, but isn't ready to yet. Whether he ever does feel ready to, only time will tell.

Pansiesandredrosesandmarigolds · 10/07/2017 21:38

Well, flying's an environmental catastrophe (seriously you might be a vegan who recycles everything, if you're a frequent flier your carbon footprint is horrendous) so three cheers for your husband.

goose1964 · 10/07/2017 21:49

My grandfather was scared of flying, they holidayed all over Europe including behind the Iron Curtain, you can go abroad without flying

Polichinelle · 10/07/2017 22:02

I used to be married to someone who hated flying. Used to being the important part here. As he got older the fear got bigger to the point that I ended up going on holidays on my own. This was not the only reason for our separation, but it was definitely an important factor

ny20005 · 10/07/2017 22:08

Op, you're not being unreasonable

He's down played his fear & mis led you that he will go on a flight, he just prefers not to. He's putting his fear over your needs & isn't being honest with himself or you

I developed a fear about 12 years ago after bad turbulence on a flight. I know it's irrational but I can't help it

I love to travel & take diazepam & still travel the world

The thoughts of never leaving the country again fills me with horror & I wouldn't dream of ever letting my kids know I was afraid

Confused009 · 10/07/2017 22:26

Wa please don't wait.. he will never get over his fear believe me... I've just wasted years of my life with someone like this and as you get older you realise how important these things are... my advice is to move on if it means that much to you... forget trying to change him as it ain't gonna happen! Sorry!

Fl0ellafunbags · 10/07/2017 22:40

We are planning on getting married in September and I feel as though he owes me a flight before we get married. AIBU?

Yes.

newnamechange84 · 10/07/2017 23:14

I flew to Iceland this year, my first flight since 2008. I am TERRIFIED of flying. I swore that I would never do it and it was only the realisation that I'd never go anywhere if I didn't, that forced me to do it. You need to have a really good chat with him and let him know what it means to you.

BadLad · 11/07/2017 00:10

It would be a deal-breaker for me.

PinkCrystal · 11/07/2017 07:54

I have a severe fear of flying. I almost passed out on my last flight. Am scared of the plane crashing and having that time of several minutes in fear till it hits the floor imagining the kids etc. Several bad landings didn't help. It starts weeks before a flight and I get very ill with diareah and vomiting etc.

Luckily we can't afford to go abroad at present so I haven't had to face the issue. Family happy to holiday here.

I would be happy for DH to travel without me. I don't expect to do everything together simply as we are married. Some space is good!

I do want to travel so hope to get over my fears some day. But if DH was being unsympathetic I would think him quite heartless and he pressure could make worse.

I think OP yabu as you have no idea how bad it is for the person. They know what they are missing out on. However it is a very common fear. But it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. A good relationship is worth far more than a fortnight abroad.

ShatnersWig · 11/07/2017 08:37

I think he's been a bit unreasonable in not admitting just how bad his phobia is, to be honest, and I say that as someone with the same phobia.

When I was 7 my neighbour died in the Kegworth plane crash (the one that landed on the M1). As a result, I suspect, flying absolutely terrified me. My family never went on holiday, so it was never really an issue but my first serious girlfriend's brother was getting married in Northern Ireland - so short flight - and I agreed after a lot of hassle to go.

I was a total and utter wreck. Someone had to drive me to the airport as I wouldn't have got there (my girlfriend having already gone up two nights earlier to visit her parents which I couldn't do work wise). I hated it. I wanted to follow the Pope and kiss the tarmac. I couldn't relax for the weekend knowing I had to come back the same way. On the way back, there was a lot of turbulence and I was even worse and once off the flight waiting for baggage I actually burst into tears (which some of my gf's family laughed about; my gf to her credit tore into them). A 21-year old bloke in tears.

Vowed never, ever to fly again. When I met my next gf, I explained this very early on. It was, for me, non-negotiable. Fortunately she was 10 years older than me and had done a lot of flying and was fine about it. We lasted 10 years, had lots of great holidays in the UK and Ireland and France by car and boat.

Then a few years ago a friend learned to fly and I asked him to take my up in a 4-seater plane. My theory was that if I could see him at the controls I'd be OK. I was his first passenger after passing his test. We flew across England, landed at a small airfield, had lunch and flew back. I loved it. Because I could see; if anything went wrong, I could see him doing things was my rationale.

So I decided to try a big plane again. But knew I couldn't do it alone. I persuaded a friend to come with me but decided to go somewhere memorable so that if I never flew again (except home) I'd been somewhere fabulous. Lake Garda, Verona and Venice.

I hated the flight. I hated the airport. The plane arrived late for the flight out. There must be something wrong with it. My friend said I didn't show too much nerves but inside I was a mess. Loved Italy. Flight on the way back was hideous. Not helped by the airport playing "Knocking on Heaven''s Door" in the departure lounge (I kid you not).

That was 5 years ago. Will I fly again? Maybe a small plane to the Scilly Isles! I may, just may, do another trip one day on the big bastard but I know it wouldn't be long haul. Three hours would be my absolute limit.

Whoever takes me on, as I am single, has to accept that. But I say so early on. If you want exotic holidays, I'm not your man.

Roomster101 · 11/07/2017 09:06

I think you have to be realistic about the fact that if someone is terrified about flying there is a good chance that they aren't going to get over it. Even if they can fly without being terrified they will still probably be anxious which could easily ruin their holiday and make it not worthwhile. I know people who fly for work a lot but they won't fly anywhere for holidays.

mogulfield · 11/07/2017 15:20

handsarefrozen it is ridiculous isn't it. He still doesn't know the full extent of my fear as I was starting to get over it when I met him (ex boyfriend was an America; I did 8 return trips across the Atlantic in one year).

Having my DH on the plane with me helps a lot, he's an excellent pilot and if both of the pilots had incapacitating illnesses (odds are very small but still), he could take over! (If it was a Boeing 757).

TheViceOfReason · 11/07/2017 15:38

Is him refusing to fly a deal breaker for you?

If not, then you have to accept it and suck up the train journeys or go to other destinations yourself.

If it is, then you must tell your partner NOW - do not assume that they'll get over it or change their mind.

Bunlicker · 11/07/2017 15:43

I think you can put your foot down about cbt but not about actually flying. He should be willing to try and get over it for you as this will affect you. But if he can't do he can't do it. Cruises and ferries are all options

Fl0ellafunbags · 11/07/2017 15:58

Shatners I think you're a legend for trying. I don't do aeroplanes but I've had some amazing road trips and taken trains all over Europe. It's all about making the journey as much of an adventure as the destination.

wanderings · 11/07/2017 16:09

Then a few years ago a friend learned to fly and I asked him to take my up in a 4-seater plane. My theory was that if I could see him at the controls I'd be OK. I was his first passenger after passing his test. We flew across England, landed at a small airfield, had lunch and flew back. I loved it. Because I could see; if anything went wrong, I could see him doing things was my rationale.
That's interesting: I'm the other way round. I have no problem with big planes, but I was a lot more nervous in a light plane because of the noise, the roughness, and it felt a lot more vulnerable.

Justbreathing · 11/07/2017 17:42

my ex couldnt get on a plane. it ate away at me. always going on the same holiday, never going on adventures.
It made me very sad that it was off the cards
2 best friends weddings on my own
I would say if he doesnt want to get proper/more help with it, then it will get to you.
some people it won't, it's a very difficult situation.

WineAndTiramisu · 11/07/2017 18:10

I would say he is being unreasonable by playing it down so much and not trying to get help with this.

Short term, I'd let him get the 2 day train, and fly out and meet him, then your annual leave doesn't get used up and you might be less annoyed at him

AHedgehogCanNeverBeBuggered · 11/07/2017 18:11

I couldn't marry someone like that - can you really accept that you'll never see the Grand Canyon, trek up Kilimanjaro, ride a camel across the desert, snorkel around the Great Barrier Reef...etc. unless you've got tons of annual leave and enough cash to do family holidays as well? You'd be missing out on the world, other cultures and languages, incredible experiences...

He has been massively unreasonable to downplay his phobia to you. You need a proper conversation about this and whether he actually plans to address it. He's obviously entitled to do nothing, but you need to know that before you marry him.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 11/07/2017 18:22

It's a difficult one. Travel has never been a particular interest if mine, so no way would it have been a deal breaker, or even a consideration at all if DH was phobic. A non issue.

On my part, I was a perfectly fine flyer. Then became terrified. Wouldn't go on a plane for 10 years plus. I hate it now, but I will do it. So it's possible to have periods of flying even as a flying phobic.

ImAFurchester · 11/07/2017 18:25

you'll never see the Grand Canyon

Seen it, it was underwhelming
trek up Kilimanjaro

Sounds too much like exercise to me

ride a camel across the desert

Too hot

snorkel around the Great Barrier Reef

Sharks.

Grin
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